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Old 01-25-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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It isn't just the OP. There is a plethora of folks posting who just don't get it.
And of course we know the liberal media won't educate them on the truth. Can you imagine the left when they realized that Trump could undo Obama's executive orders with a stroke of a pen? Now wonder they're having a melt down.

Obama should have done it the right way but didn't think he needed to because he was so sure Hillary.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:36 PM
 
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No Trump isn't making new laws, he's actually going as far as implementing them, as if the laws already exist.
apparently you dont understand that making new law and implementing new laws IS THE SAME THING. trump is not making new laws, at least not right now. obama on the other hand WAS making new laws, remember the dream act that failed in congress, yet obama wrote an EC setting it in motion, and the scotus slapped it down?
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Their real reason:
To them, Trump is a white good 'ole boy while Obama is an uppity black man.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:40 PM
 
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For eight years, we heard about how Obama was acting like a dictator for sometimes bypassing congress, enacting executive orders to accomplish his agenda.

From what we've seen over the past five days, it appears Trump is far more willing to rule by executive orders than even Obama was. That, in my opinion, is alarming.

An imperial Presidency is an imperial Presidency, whether it's a Democrat or a Republican. Why was it such a big deal and a threat to our freedom for Obama to rule by "decree" but when Trump does it, it's because it's "necessary"?
Firstly executive orders need to be within existing law, Obama has lost badly in the courts over many of them. Secondly what are the contents of them?

For example Trump's EO on the Dakota pipeline. This project had already cleared all the legal and regulatory hurdles, it's only the unprecedented actions of the Obama admin that stopped it.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:41 PM
 
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Their real reason:
To them, Trump is a white good 'ole boy while Obama is an uppity black man.
wow, you see everything through race and refuse to open your eyes and acknowledge the truth.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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Trump has been in office for a few days, and signed only a few executive orders.

Get a grip, Trump is not a dictator.
No...he's a demagogue. There's a difference.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:42 PM
 
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Their real reason:
To them, Trump is a white good 'ole boy while Obama is an uppity black man.
Sec. 2. The Director of the Office of Management and Budget and the heads of executive departments and agencies shall promptly rescind any orders, rules, regulations, guidelines, or policies implementing or enforcing Executive Order 13258 or Executive Order 13422, to the extent consistent with law.

Sec. 3. This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:44 PM
 
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The reason why this is possible is because the U.S. Constitution (and subsequently the Supreme Court) gives Presidents a pretty wide discretion on how to use their executive power, with general acknowledgement that, in the absence of laws to the contrary, Presidents aren't bound by the decisions of their predecessors.

The caveat here is whether the previous Executive Order is tied to laws and their derivative regulations that took effect under a previous Administration. To address that, though, you get language like the above "rescind any orders, [etc.] . . . to the extent consistent with law." The President could then order a review of rules and regulations with the intent of developing new ones to implement the law consistent with his preferences.

But still, in cases where there is no explicit legal requirement or prohibition binding the President, Executive Orders can come and go at the President's will and pleasure.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Firstly executive orders need to be within existing law, Obama has lost badly in the courts over many of them. Secondly what are the contents of them?

For example Trump's EO on the Dakota pipeline. This project had already cleared all the legal and regulatory hurdles, it's only the unprecedented actions of the Obama admin that stopped it.
Not to highjack the thread but does this now give the pipeline corp. the ability to use imminent domain to get access to private property.
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Old 01-25-2017, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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For eight years, we heard about how Obama was acting like a dictator for sometimes bypassing congress, enacting executive orders to accomplish his agenda.
Go ahead and point out which of Trump's Executive Orders by-passed Congress.

We'll wait.
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