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Old 01-30-2017, 06:00 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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The process was paused for 6 months when the authorities found evidence of terrorists infiltrating the US through the refugee program.

The difference was that Obama was acting on evidence rather than speculation. There have been no known terrorist acts that would have been prevented by such measures and no actual carried out acts of terrorism that were committed by refugees. We were also occupying Iraq at the time. There wasn't any wide spread protests because they are indeed different under different circumstances.... and they know it.

If this was a purely leftist movement, then you need to explain McCain and Graham statements against the immigration policy. Here are another list of Republicans speaking out against the Trump decision.

http://fortune.com/2017/01/29/donald...n-republicans/

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Old 01-30-2017, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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He also is allowing in Christians, giving them preference over Muslim, so it definitely is a faith-based proclamation.
He learned religious preference from Obama...

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Obama admitted more than 12,000 Muslim refugees from Syria in Fiscal Year 2016, but fewer than 100 Christian refugees from the same country. Christians make up about 10 percent of the population in Syria, some 2.2 million people. Yet they only made up about one-half of one percent of Syrian refugees admitted that year.
Obama Effectively 'Barred' Christian Syrian Refugees | The Daily Caller
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So freedom of religion is not in the constitution?
Get back to me when Trump bans people from Indonesia.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:03 AM
 
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It is all about how the media is reporting it.

Obama banned people from Iraq. Jimmy Carter banned immigration from Iran during the hostage crisis.
The press saw this for what it was, to keep America and Americans safe until the crisis was over or things were figured out.

With Trump the media hates him and they attack everything he does to put a negative spin on it.

It is going to be a long 4 years if they keep this up.
You just had 5 people tell you with links, that Obama paused the refugee program not "banned people form Iraq" but its crickets to you.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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You just had 5 people tell you with links, that Obama paused the refugee program not "banned people form Iraq" but its crickets to you.
Isnt that the same thing... pause... temp. ban..
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:10 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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Isnt that the same thing... pause... temp. ban..
You didn't read the thread.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:15 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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"Effectively?" Really written two days ago to lay comparison. It is an opinion work based on confirmation bias.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:17 AM
 
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I feel the most objective answer is that the state of politics is in a state of constant and rapid change. It isn't about "liberal hypocrisy." Plenty of liberals disagreed with Obama on a variety of things, most of the time being willing to voice those concerns.
Rarely. I complained about the wars. Few others did. I complained about the Wall Street bail outs. Few others did. I complained about the constant influx of lobbysists. Few others did. I had to argue with many of those condemning Trump now that they were wrong in defending Obama's actions because they were going to end poorly.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The process was paused for 6 months when the authorities found evidence of terrorists infiltrating the US through the refugee program.

The difference was that Obama was acting on evidence rather than speculation. There have been no known terrorist acts that would have been prevented by such measures and no actual carried out acts of terrorism that were committed by refugees. We were also occupying Iraq at the time. There wasn't any wide spread protests because they are indeed different under different circumstances.... and they know it.

If this was a purely leftist movement, then you need to explain McCain and Graham statements against the immigration policy. Here are another list of Republicans speaking out against the Trump decision.

Donald Trump's Immigration Ban: Here Are the Republicans Against It | Fortune.com
There was a delay because the immigration authorities needed to review the applications of 58,000 refugees that had already been resettled. He didn't specifically pause refugees but the review did essentially prevent them from processing new applications. He acted on a specific threat like you say, Trump is acting on speculation. He should not have included refugees in his order, they are already extensively vetted. We will see what new procedures he is proposing to the visa program.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:47 AM
 
Location: NC
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It is all about how the media is reporting it.

Obama banned people from Iraq. Jimmy Carter banned immigration from Iran during the hostage crisis.
The press saw this for what it was, to keep America and Americans safe until the crisis was over or things were figured out.

With Trump the media hates him and they attack everything he does to put a negative spin on it.

It is going to be a long 4 years if they keep this up.
Or maybe:

Obama stopped processing from Iraq WHILE WE WERE STILL IN A MILITARY CONFLICT THERE until we could get the process safe.

Carter Banned immigration from IRAN WHILE WE WERE IN A MILITARY/HOSTAGE CRISIS with them.

but....

Trump led with a "ban on all Muslim immigration to the US". He got called out for the MANY problems with this, so he changed the label, which nobody fell for. He selected 7 Muslim countries, with no known instances of exporting terrorists to the USA, while he ignored several others, with (litterally) thousands of documented instances of exporting terrorists into the USA leading to US Citizens deaths.

Nobody other than Trump can know the true or full reasons for his decisions, but one can see that he omitted the countries that he has business interests in, and picked the countries that would best support his earlier plan, which he had to retract, to ban all Muslims, while ignoring the ones with a documented problem.

And that he has openly suggested publishing a record of immigrants who have committed crimes only adds to support that his actions 'seem' to be supportive of a goal of creating a nationalist, racist movement to use propaganda and EO to create a hostile environment for targeted groups of people. It is STRAIT OUT OF the Third Reich Handbook.

I am not saying that's his intent. It's not for me to know what he's thinking. I'm just typing what I, and millions of other people see. No matter what the reason, I don't understand people who are not willing to look at the facts and have an open discussion about it. If there are good reasons, and they are being misunderstood, it seems the right thing to do would be to put everything on the table, and find a better way to achieve any honorable goals. (Keeping the American people safe is, IMO, Honorable. But this, IMO, will have a negative impact on attaining that goal the way he is doing it.)
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