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Old 01-30-2017, 06:47 AM
 
Location: NNJ
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There was a delay because the immigration authorities needed to review the applications of 58,000 refugees that had already been resettled. He didn't specifically pause refugees but the review did essentially prevent them from processing new applications. He acted on a specific threat like you say, Trump is acting on speculation. He should not have included refugees in his order, they are already extensively vetted. We will see what new procedures he is proposing to the visa program.
Do we know the criteria by which 7 countries were selected?

There are some countries that seem to be left off.... ISIS/L claimed territory and other hot beds for activity. Why Iran? Not Saudi-Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Qatar, etc. We have a terrorist acts actually carried out by nationals not on the list. Wasn't 9/11 hijackers from Saudi-Arabia, Lebanon, and UEA? None of which are on the list.

Does the exec order state what will happen if the resulting proposed policies do not meet Trump's idea of "extreme vetting" at the end of the temporary ban? Does the temporary ban go indefinitely until so? Whether or not you agree or not, it is important to know the criteria by which such actions are lifted.

That's actually more of a concern of mine than the actual ban. Historically, unilateral actions (martial law in extreme cases) without any reasonable "end" is used to expand power indefinitely and political leverage. Ex... in extreme case.. Ferdinand Marcos (of Philippines) declared martial law for almost 10 years to rule unchecked.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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Do we know the criteria by which 7 countries were selected?

There are some countries that seem to be left off....
actually we do. It was a list compiled by Obama's WH based on the latest intelligence and ability to vet those seeking refugee status.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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actually we do. It was a list compiled by Obama's WH based on the latest intelligence and ability to vet those seeking refugee status.
Do you have link that has details?

Was there a described threat in the refugee process in the intelligence report?
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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actually we do. It was a list compiled by Obama's WH based on the latest intelligence and ability to vet those seeking refugee status.
No we do not but if you look at the list it was fairly random, since he specifically stated that he was addressing places where terrorists resided it seems like Saudi Arabia and a few others got left out.
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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He also is allowing in Christians, giving them preference over Muslim, so it definitely is a faith-based proclamation.
Yes. And it's not a bad thing.

Last time I checked, Christians are not blowing themselves up.
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:16 AM
 
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Yes. And it's not a bad thing.

Last time I checked, Christians are not blowing themselves up.
Are we a Christian nation?
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:23 AM
 
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No we do not but if you look at the list it was fairly random, since he specifically stated that he was addressing places where terrorists resided it seems like Saudi Arabia and a few others got left out.
It was from a statement from a Trump WH staffer on the POTUS Sirius/XM Channel - sorry I can't link it.

The journalist specifically asked why Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were not included and the response was they their cooperation from the governments was such that they could properly vet those seeking travel to the US from those countries.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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Obama didn't strand families in airports or stop students from returning to MIT. Or did he f*** up miserably with his poorly-planned executive order and I just forgot about it?
Nah, he just stranded American citizens when they ended up on the no fly list for no apparent reason but the Left was fine with that.
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Old 01-30-2017, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Richmond,VA
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This is not the same thing nor anything like it.

It's always different when Obama did it. It was fine, nothing to see, keep moving along, right?
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Old 01-30-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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It's nothing more than liberal hypocrisy.
I guess if you don't know what the word "refugee" means
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