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Let's see here, we had two separate governments tell our government that the Boston bombers were terrorists who were going to terrorist training camps.
You seem to have a little too much faith.
The Boston Marathon bombers weren't from Syria. They were from Kyrgyzstan. (not even close!)
Yes, the FBI and the CIA might have dropped the ball, but the 2 brothers grew up in the United States and AFAIK were naturalized citizens. However, they were on "watch lists" and maybe our intelligence agencies need to have more follow-up whether or not people came here are refugees or were born in the U.S.
Are you willing to give up any of your constitutional rights? What I'm asking is, if you are suspected of terrorist activities or extremists views, would you be okay with U.S. Intelligence agents keeping an eye on you, even with no evidence of terrorist activities?
In the case of the Tsarnaev brothers, there were many warnings which were overlooked, but this could have happened even if they were born in the United States.
The Boston Marathon bombers weren't from Syria. They were from Kyrgyzstan. (not even close!)
Yes, the FBI and the CIA might have dropped the ball, but the 2 brothers grew up in the United States and AFAIK were naturalized citizens. However, they were on "watch lists" and maybe our intelligence agencies need to have more follow-up whether or not people came here are refugees or were born in the U.S.
Are you willing to give up any of your constitutional rights? What I'm asking is, if you are suspected of terrorist activities or extremists views, would you be okay with U.S. Intelligence agents keeping an eye on you, even with no evidence of terrorist activities?
In the case of the Tsarnaev brothers, there were many warnings which were overlooked, but this could have happened even if they were born in the United States.
You missed the point completely. If two governments told our government these two were terrorists going to terror training camps, and the ball was dropped, do you think they'll notice if someone was vetted well going by information provided by a government in chaos?
You missed the point completely. If two governments told our government these two were terrorists going to terror training camps, and the ball was dropped, do you think they'll notice if someone was vetted well going by information provided by a government in chaos?
Oh, I got your point. So are you saying we will be safer if we don't let anyone into the United States? The ban targets Muslim-majority countries, yet only about 1/3 of 1% of all homicides in the U.S. are committed by Muslims.
What about the 11,000 gun homicides in 2016? Why isn't Trump banning the people who committed these violent acts or signing Executive Orders that target gun ownership?
[URL="https://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2017/01/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Involvement_in_Violent_Extremism_2016.pdf "]Here[/URL] is a recent study which shows the exceptionally small number of actual terrorist attacks committed by Muslim Americans.
"The 54 fatalities caused by Muslim-American extremists in 2016 brought the total since 9/11 to 123. More than 240,000 Americans were murdered over the same period."
I'm not dismissing the terrorist attacks against U.S. citizens or saying they shouldn't be a concern. I'm only saying a ban does little to "keep us safe" as people claim. If someone wants to do us harm, he will find a way.
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Jesus taught we should "separate the wheat from the chaff"
Extreme vetting of persons coming into the country from regions where no, very little, or compromised records of those persons exist, should be done carefully and completely.
That takes time. The temporary ban Trump has put in place makes total sense.
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HOW does it "make total" sense when immigrants from the 7 countries on the list have been responsible for zero deaths due to terrorism in the US while countries whose immigrants have killed thousands in the US with acts of terrorism are not on the list?
Oh, I got your point. So are you saying we will be safer if we don't let anyone into the United States? The ban targets Muslim-majority countries, yet only about 1/3 of 1% of all homicides in the U.S. are committed by Muslims.
What about the 11,000 gun homicides in 2016? Why isn't Trump banning the people who committed these violent acts or signing Executive Orders that target gun ownership?
Here is a recent study which shows the exceptionally small number of actual terrorist attacks committed by Muslim Americans.
"The 54 fatalities caused by Muslim-American extremists in 2016 brought the total since 9/11 to 123. More than 240,000 Americans were murdered over the same period."
I'm not dismissing the terrorist attacks against U.S. citizens or saying they shouldn't be a concern. I'm only saying a ban does little to "keep us safe" as people claim. If someone wants to do us harm, he will find a way.
Your math is off. That is only the number of deaths from terrorist attacks committed by muslim Americans not the percentage of homicides committed by Muslims.
Oh, I got your point. So are you saying we will be safer if we don't let anyone into the United States? The ban targets Muslim-majority countries, yet only about 1/3 of 1% of all homicides in the U.S. are committed by Muslims.
So? What about "if it saves ONE life it's worth it"? Or is that only when you agree with the agenda and don't really care about saving lives?
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What about the 11,000 gun homicides in 2016? Why isn't Trump banning the people who committed these violent acts or signing Executive Orders that target gun ownership?
What about them? 90% are felons killing other felons, many of the rest are justified homicide of police or civilians killing felons. Oh, I see the problem, dead felons are a problem for liberals. The reality is more innocent lives are saved by felons killing each other than if they were left alive for decades committing thousands more crimes.
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They were from Kyrgyzstan. (not even close!) 
