Sally Yates has been fired by Trump (independent, deport, politicians)

[lottamoxie]

Yes, you'll administer a policy that might be wholly unconstitutional and is already being legally challenged with judicial stays right now. But, ya know... never mind that.

[jacqueg]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

You think a former deputy attorney general is going to be unemployed for more than a day ????

My guess is she already HAS another job.

The minute Trump was elected, a whole lot of senior staffers would have thought real hard about whether they wanted to stay or not. Those that were not inclined to stay would have started making other plans. It's hard to work for someone whose agenda is deeply different than yours.

This is pretty standard.

What's not standard is that she decided to make such a public statement on her way out.

[oberon_1]

Originally Posted by RedZin

She's a hero.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Anyway, why she didn't leave by herself, when Trump was sworn in? If she thinks she can't defend his policies, (which is her right) basic decency means leaving.
But I think the issue is deeper than the case of one attorney. There must be thousands of employees in the state department, the AG office, etc. who probably feel the same. I can only think of our embassy workers in Mexico for example. Shouldn't they get out ASAP if they can't implement Trump's policies?

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by oberon_1

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Anyway, why she didn't leave by herself, when Trump was sworn in? If she thinks she can't defend his policies, (which is her right) basic honesty means leaving.
But I think the issue is deeper than the case of one attorney. There must be thousands of employees in the state department, the AG office, etc. who probably feel the same. I can only think of our embassy workers in Mexico for example. Shouldn't they get out if they can't support Trump's policies?

It is pretty customary for the Deputy AG to stay on as Acting AG in the interim.

[Bitey]

Originally Posted by markg91359

That's downright funny. It also shows you don't understand the role of the attorney general at all.

The attorney general takes an oath to uphold the laws and Constitution of the United States. If the laws and Constitution conflict with what the President wants to do than the attorney general cannot ethically carry out the president's wishes.

The attorney general's job includes defending the United States when it is sued in court. Whether the president's orders conflict with the law or the Constitution or not is an unsettled matter. It is the AG's job to help settle it.

[loves2read]

Originally Posted by Scooby Snacks

Au contraire. Refusing to kowtow to Pumpkinhead's desires could very well be the best thing that ever happens to her career. There is such a thing as having a strong moral code. It's ironic how most people accuse lawyers of being shady and unethical. So when this one stands up for her principles and refuses to do something she thinks is wrong, she's judged harshly for that too because "she should just do what she's told."

The one good thing about this move to fire her means that Sessions comes under the gun and will have to either defend or deny the legality of the Executive Order Travel Ban--
Hopefully enough of the Republicans who are not happy about this might actually band w/the Dems and not pass Sessions...

This entire blow-up is going to be systematic of how Trump will run his presidency
He wants chaos because he loves being in the nexus of power and creating chaos is certainly an option that power conveys...the fact that someone who has tremendous power thrives on chaos seems a very dangerous fact though...
Trump has sold his soul to the devil which in this case is Steve Bannon--
By taking the Chairman of joint chiefs and the head of the NSA off the principals committee and Steve Bannon on it--Bannon has shown his end game...

Claiming that Yates made her decision to not have the Justice dept defend what she believed was flawed executive order when she had no input--was not asked her opinion of that executive order -- and claiming that was because she was an Obama appointee was just his immature reaction---
He can't believe that anyone can object out of a moral belief--because Trump has no moral center
He can't believe someone would have an intellectual objection because Trump isn't that smart
Everything with him is personal and emotionally based--good or bad, positive or negative--
not intellectual, not moral justification

And just remember while the Office of White House council might have signed off on the legality of that EO, that office doesn't have to defend it in court...
and neither the Sec of Defense was not asked his opinion/reaction, nor was the acting director of ICE who was also fired tonight after Yates...so likely that person was not very happy over the blow-back from the imposition of the order...and you would think that if people with good sense were trying to enact new policies w/o causing problems--they might want to check with the actual agency head who would have to implement the draconian policy...
And it wasn't well thought out or very explicit--
Now they are backtracking and saying that Green Card resident aliens weren't supposed to be involved--
But they were...so big screwup that wasn't anticipated, foreseen, or dealt with timely/appropriately---
That is how people get really screwed and countries look really dumb...

What people should remember is that countries who deal with us in a myriad of ways are seeing this dirty laundry get aired out all over the news---
Bombarded on 24/7 news cycle with our government in disarray, flopping around like a chicken with its head cut off, not knowing which way is up...
That is not good when you have hostile countries like North Korea or even Russia that might want to take advantage of this chaotic disarray...
It isn't even good for countries that we normally have good relationships with like the UK or Canada...

Trump has already pissed off Mexico--now he is doing that with many other countries--and apparently businesses...

Consider all the money that cities are having to spend on extra policing efforts because people are protesting--
They are doing it mainly very peacefully and without vandalism and they have a LEGAL right to do that...
But it is counter productive because it takes money from budgets that could be use in a more productive way.

[Blondy]

Originally Posted by jacqueg

My guess is she already HAS another job.

The minute Trump was elected, a whole lot of senior staffers would have thought real hard about whether they wanted to stay or not. Those that were not inclined to stay would have started making other plans. It's hard to work for someone whose agenda is deeply different than yours.

This is pretty standard.

What's not standard is that she decided to make such a public statement on her way out.

Exactly, if she wants to make a statement, let her go hang out at an airport with protestors.

The attorneys she directed were ordered to be back in court with more info by a federal judge. What she really was telling them was to ignore the court and be held in contempt.

Its her job to follow the process and rule of law for the Courts to rule whether or not this is Constitutional.

That determination is not going to be made by a bunch of protestors and is solely up to the Courts.

[Blondy]

Originally Posted by oberon_1

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Anyway, why she didn't leave by herself, when Trump was sworn in? If she thinks she can't defend his policies, (which is her right) basic decency means leaving.
But I think the issue is deeper than the case of one attorney. There must be thousands of employees in the state department, the AG office, etc. who probably feel the same. I can only think of our embassy workers in Mexico for example. Shouldn't they get out ASAP if they can't implement Trump's policies?

Yes and they were all told that today in Spicer's press conference. Get on board or get out.

[loves2read]

Originally Posted by Blondy

Exactly, if she wants to make a statement, let her go hang out at an airport with protestors.

The attorneys she directed were ordered to be back in court with more info by a federal judge. What she really was telling them was to ignore the court and be held in contempt.

Its her job to follow the process and rule of law for the Courts to rule whether or not this is Constitutional.

That determination is not going to be made by a bunch of protestors and is solely up to the Courts.

No--what she was saying was that the deputy attorneys general would go to court and not make an argument to defend the gov't position---
She wasn't about to tell any officer of the court to IGNORE a court order to appear...

This article explains pretty well the back-ass way this EO came into being--

Hill staffers secretly worked on Trump's immigration order - POLITICO

And it was a rush to judgement with Steve Bannon and another guy who worked for Sessions leading the way
The point I found very interesting and which I think is typical Trump but maybe very unconstitutional/illegal for Congressional staffers who are legally required to give truthful, accurate testimony if called by committees doing investigations is that the staffers who supposedly helped with the language of the bill (but apparently weren't that good at it based on evidence) is that they were required to sign non-disclosure contracts...
All Trump's employees are required to do that--and in business world those contracts are legal unless you knowingly are committing fraud and are using them to protect a criminal activity--
But in government work, I don't think you can enforce a contract like that because a government employee is a PUBLIC employee...and different laws apply...

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by steven_h

The left have refused to admit that their choice was wrong. You still place a mediocre President who verged on being tyrannical on a pedestal like a god. We need a President and we got a smooth talking activist professor.

Either move forward or get out of the way. Identity politics are dead and the country has spoken. It's done, now you should really try to deal with it in a positive way rather than whining.

Yea, its dead all right " white working class voter", race is right there in the phrase LOL.


Like I said, your side is full of hypocrites.