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Old 02-03-2017, 04:53 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Police never acts right away a riot starts and the UC Berkeley riot was a relatively quick and brief one. In almost every riot that exists in the real world, rioters do vandalise a lot of property even before the law enforcement arrives. That's what happened in Baltimore and in England in 2011 at a grander scale. That's how riots work. If you don't like it, then go to police academy and try to convince them to change their modus operandi.
The campus police were already there. The speaker's sponsors had to pay them extra $$$$$ for extra security. They were all there already and did nothing. This is being investigated.
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Old 02-03-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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There are several methods of quelling violent uprisings without agitating them further. Passivity is ineffective and only allows those violent rioters to continue to do so. This was small scale, certainly enough officers to control the situation. First, they can and should have made basic rules like no fask coverings. This is something which has long been a law in DC for example. Second, it's about holding a line, pushing back that line, sectioning off and then separating, detaining, and arresting those acting violently. The rioters even made it easy for them - they practically wore uniforms helping to further identify themselves as what they were - rioters. I watched this on TV as the rioters tore down and then destroyed the barricades. I also watched as the police stood by and simply watched them do so. At this point, before it escalated, why not work to separate those people from the group. Passively watching it happen and then passively watching it escalate is not acceptable.

There were and are any number of other things which could have occurred in this situation. Let's say they did this and still the rioters were successful. Why not even try and arrest them? No arrests??? Really? I watched as some just casually walked up to windows and threw barricades at those windows. They weren't even trying to be sneaky or fast about it because they saw the police stand down. And that's what happened. The police showed up and then stood down and watched the violence proceed.

Now Berkeley can do exactly what it's doing. Now they get to say - "See? We tried. Goodness, we did what we were supposed to do. Oh darn." BS. They did no such thing. They showed nominal planning at best, they acted with extreme passivity, and they did not do anywhere near enough to protect the civil rights' of their students (including those there to protest peacefully). Shame on UC Berkeley, the law enforcement involved in this, and shame on those who think this is acceptable.
What you are describing is escalation, which endangers officers, bystanders, and protesters. It is unrealistic and, frankly, stupid. The police did not stand down, but they did not escalate. It was an appropriate response to the circumstances.
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Old 02-03-2017, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Lisbon, Portugal
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The campus police were already there. The speaker's sponsors had to pay them extra $$$$$ for extra security. They were all there already and did nothing. This is being investigated.
I really need to look into it, that's very unconvincing info, and looks more like allegations at this stage. You can share more information with me about this case. I'm curious to know what the FBI will gonna say.
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Old 02-03-2017, 05:10 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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LOL. RWNJ's want to take money away from an American University so a mean gay man from London can make more money off them.

This is how much they hate college and education.
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Old 02-03-2017, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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What you are describing is escalation, which endangers officers, bystanders, and protesters. It is unrealistic and, frankly, stupid. The police did not stand down, but they did not escalate. It was an appropriate response to the circumstances.
And yet, this is the way various riots have been knocked down successfully in the past. In fact, what I described is what is often used in DC because they really can't afford to let the violence play out there due to the high profile figures that must be protected. They quelled a much, much larger riot on Inauguration Day utilizing this method. There were many, many arrests. Remind me, how many arrests were made at UC Berkeley?

But when we've seen passivity, extreme passivity as seen in the UC Berkeley incident, it usually doesn't end well. In some cases, it escalates even further. At some point, the violent political extortionists need to be stopped and continuing to act with extreme passivity only serves to embolden them.
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Old 02-03-2017, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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LOL. RWNJ's want to take money away from an American University so a mean gay man from London can make more money off them.

This is how much they hate college and education.
Thanks for elevating the discussion with this comment. Clearly shows your obvious superiority, education, and logic over the rest of us on the right. Goodness, I'm so glad you were here to show us the error of our ways.
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Old 02-04-2017, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Lake Grove
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Rioting shows us how the left hates free speech. Rioting, even if it means destroying their own school. That is, IF they were students, and not a paid attack force working for George Soros.
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