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Old 02-08-2017, 10:03 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The mayor of a sanctuary city tells the police NOT to inquire about a person's immigration status. But President Trump tells the police, yes you need to find the illegal aliens and turn in the ones that have committed a crime.

What are the police supposed to do? Discuss.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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Local police do and should answer locally.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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They answer locally but enforce the laws of the nation as well as the local laws...
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Always the mayor.

OP, the only people beholden to the president's orders are those in the executive branch of the federal govt and military.

Sorry if you have delusions of a Trump dictatorship but no.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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What does their oath of office state?

(hint: every single one will state something similar to this:

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I, ___________________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States...
So, a rogue state can not defy the US Constitution, that is... it can not defy the powers that it agreed to with the Federal government.

Now hold on a sec, I know state rights people will go nuts here... so calm yourself... That is.. the state must abide by the basic duties and authorities of the federal government, to which is specifically agreed to when it joined the union.

The protection of the borders, the authority over immigration is ABSOLUTELY within the authority of the the US government and so a police officer MUST (if they are to hold to their oath) follow THAT authority over their states conflict.

There are MANY things a state has a right to stand up to the Federal government in terms of abuse of authority, outside of the bounds of Constitutional decree, etc.. but this is not one of them.

Any officer who follows a city or state in the face of these issues VIOLATES their oath and they might as well urinate on that badge or anything they "think" they stand for.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Always the mayor.

OP, the only people beholden to the president's orders are those in the executive branch of the federal govt and military.

Sorry if you have delusions of a Trump dictatorship but no.
Immigration is Federal authority. Remember when Arizona tried immigration laws? Also, CA and those NW sissy states better be careful here. MJ is still federally illegal, I'd hate to see those states get raided and politicians/dispensary owners locked up
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Gone
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What does their oath of office state?

(hint: every single one will state something similar to this:



So, a rogue state can not defy the US Constitution, that is... it can not defy the powers that it agreed to with the Federal government.

Now hold on a sec, I know state rights people will go nuts here... so calm yourself... That is.. the state must abide by the basic duties and authorities of the federal government, to which is specifically agreed to when it joined the union.

The protection of the borders, the authority over immigration is ABSOLUTELY within the authority of the the US government and so a police officer MUST (if they are to hold to their oath) follow THAT authority over their states conflict.

There are MANY things a state has a right to stand up to the Federal government in terms of abuse of authority, outside of the bounds of Constitutional decree, etc.. but this is not one of them.

Any officer who follows a city or state in the face of these issues VIOLATES their oath and they might as well urinate on that badge or anything they "think" they stand for.
BS, LEO's answer to who their boss is and that boss is the Mayor and the People that they serve.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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BS, LEO's answer to who their boss is and that boss is the Mayor and the People that they serve.
When it comes to immigration they answer to the Feds.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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What does their oath of office state?

(hint: every single one will state something similar to this:



So, a rogue state can not defy the US Constitution, that is... it can not defy the powers that it agreed to with the Federal government.

Now hold on a sec, I know state rights people will go nuts here... so calm yourself... That is.. the state must abide by the basic duties and authorities of the federal government, to which is specifically agreed to when it joined the union.

The protection of the borders, the authority over immigration is ABSOLUTELY within the authority of the the US government and so a police officer MUST (if they are to hold to their oath) follow THAT authority over their states conflict.

There are MANY things a state has a right to stand up to the Federal government in terms of abuse of authority, outside of the bounds of Constitutional decree, etc.. but this is not one of them.

Any officer who follows a city or state in the face of these issues VIOLATES their oath and they might as well urinate on that badge or anything they "think" they stand for.
The federal goverment cannot force the states to actively enforce federal law. This anti commandeering principle has been solidly established by the Supreme Court via the Tenth Amendment. Now, it's another thing if the states are actively flouting federal law by, as an example, segregating schools based on race. But that's entirely different from states stating that they will not actively enforce federal immigration law; in the segregation case, the states would merely be made to stop actively flouting federal law (but "doing nothing" to enforce the law is far different from actively flouting the law). The states are not tools of the federal government. Of course, the federal government can withdraw funds from do nothing states, but even here only so long as the effect isn't to coerce the states into enforcing federal law.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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When it comes to immigration they answer to the Feds.
True, but that doesn't include being forced to enforce federal immigration law via a lack of cooperation with the Feds.
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