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Capitalism isn't a form of governance so much as an economic system that requires government-brokered rules of engagement. Capitalism can exist under very liberal or very authoritarian governments. Socialism on the other hand is a form of governance that controls the primary levers of the economy at the very least, if not micromanages the economy from top to bottom.
Not sure what you mean. Anarchy is the natural state of a free soul. If you are free you will engage in capitalism or go it alone. Do as you wish.
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Please keep me out of it.
Nothing "on my behalf" please.
You're in it right now. You signed the social contract by flying out of a vagina...remember?
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Well not really, but Capitalism ( as a social formation) IS based on lowest expectations of human nature - that much is true.
Who are the most morally reprehensible people on earth in your eyes? The masters or the slaves?
There is no expectation of behavior when a free soul freely interacts with others. Capitalism is based on freedom which is the highest form of human nature. Anything else (socialism) is simply slavery to varying degrees.
It didn't take 80 million Hitlers to make Germany quite a hellish place, sadly.
It took one lunatic (Hitler), a bunch of hired guns "just doing their job", and millions of regular people who gave them power/permission to do things they'd never do on their own.
So you're right, but if nobody believed in Hitler's right to do what he did (or rule them at all), he'd just be some crazy guy with a weird mustache. That's why I (and No_Recess and some others) hate the belief in political authority - because regular, good people will use politics to excuse actions that they'd never dream of doing on their own.
That's really the only thing politics is for when you break it down...voting for people to do things that would be wrong if done by anyone individually.
If you had a choose which one would you prefer and why? There's pros and cons on both sides but which is the best form of governance?
I'll start...
I see Socialism as a trade. You give up freedom and individuality in return for a promise of security. The problem is these promises are often broken. No government can give you peace of mind and protect you from the realities of life. Life is a learning experience with many challenges and nobody can protect you from it. That's why Socialism doesn't work. The world isn't perfect.
As for Capitalism. The economy grows because people engage in consensual transactions and people invent new things in order to engage in more consensual transactions. That's not an impoverished thing. The truth is that socialism is the most selfish philosophy on Planet Earth because it's the concept where I breathe, therefore i deserve. Capitalism is in essence forced altruism because if I don't give you something you want then I'll starve so therefore it's based on consent. Socialism is based on force.
In the 1950's we had the highest wages and made the cheapest stuff. That's because we had more capital. Government was less involved in the private sector than today. I don't want to get too far off topic but if we have less taxes and less regulations then companies here in the U.S. will be more than willing to hire more workers since there's less risk.
Just so you'll know.
Captalism and socialism are economic models, not "forms of governance."
Neither are forms of governance. Both are economic systems. I think we have found that both extremes produce results we don't care for so our system and that of all other advanced economies are a blend. We become so accustomed to our blended system that we forget many of our services -- postal, road, military, police use a socialistic model.
It took one lunatic (Hitler), a bunch of hired guns "just doing their job", and millions of regular people who gave them power/permission to do things they'd never do on their own.
So you're right, but if nobody believed in Hitler's right to do what he did (or rule them at all), he'd just be some crazy guy with a weird mustache. That's why I (and No_Recess and some others) hate the belief in political authority - because regular, good people will use politics to excuse actions that they'd never dream of doing on their own.
That's really the only thing politics is for when you break it down...voting for people to do things that would be wrong if done by anyone individually.
It's the "bad people may do bad things to you so let's give one man/small group the power to do bad things on our behalf to stop them" scenario.
No matter how many times we see it play out we continue to go back to the same model.
Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Pinochet.
If we vote for the right guy this time. If we agree to only murder/steal this one time.
Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results?
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Best Form of Governance? Capitalism vs. Socialism
