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Old 02-27-2017, 04:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
I see the word "promote".

I do not see the word "provide" and no references that can be remotely interpreted as "provide"

So, how does the federal government come to provide so much for so many, without authorization?
It's in the opening sentence

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Old 02-27-2017, 04:54 AM
 
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It's in the opening sentence

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
If that is how you read things, then that explains a heck of a lot about you folks.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If that is how you read things, then that explains a heck of a lot about you folks.
How do you like to read it? "Insure"? It is actually a more powerful way to say "provide". But then again, it uses all three words, insure, provide and promote.

What do you think it reads when you put on your orange partisan reading glasses?

It sounds like you people have been given an alternate version. Spicy and the 'leader" have been busy.

It means what it says, the government is mandated with the task of providing/insuring certain things to "The People".

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Is this claim accurate:
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As we read through the Constitution...... I never see the word "provide", or any vague suggestion.
No, it is as false false can be.



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Old 02-27-2017, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Planet earth
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Have you rocket surgeons looked up the word preamble?

What does that fancy word mean? Hmmmm...

The preamble contains ZERO enumerations of authority.

Bent was right, knowing his comment would bring about this nit-picking, thereby exposing the statists who refuse to obey the limits of the Constitution, amending it when and where needed to get what they want to impose upon society.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Have you rocket surgeons looked up the word preamble?

What does that fancy word mean? Hmmmm...

The preamble contains ZERO enumerations of authority.

Bent was right, knowing his comment would bring about this nit-picking, thereby exposing the statists who refuse to obey the limits of the Constitution, amending it when and where needed to get what they want to impose upon society.
So, you agree with the claim that the word 'provide' does not appear in the Constitution. All righty then.

Alternate facts of the day
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Florida
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[i] ""in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,""

When the 2 words are used in the same sentence, they cannot mean the same as many want it to mean.
What

Well, it seems you finally found the word you insisted is not there

Senior moment......
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:43 AM
 
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How do you like to read it? "Insure"? It is actually a more powerful way to say "provide". But then again, it uses all three words, insure, provide and promote.

What do you think it reads when you put on your orange partisan reading glasses?

It sounds like you people have been given an alternate version. Spicy and the 'leader" have been busy.

It means what it says, the government is mandated with the task of providing/insuring certain things to "The People".



Is this claim accurate:


No, it is as false false can be.

/sigh

As it pertains to the enumerated powers. The government has no more, no less power than what is specifically established by those 18 enumerated powers.

If we use your interpretation, we could essentially give the government unlimited power due to vague claims of a need to attend to the people.

Also, as has already been provided here, the founders were clear on the role and power of the federal government.

Again, you people ignore the founders own words and you ignore the meaning of words at the time to make up your version.

You are wrong, not because I say so, but because the founders clearly indicate you are.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:46 AM
 
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So, you agree with the claim that the word 'provide' does not appear in the Constitution. All righty then.

Alternate facts of the day
Yes, it says provide for the common defense, not the general welfare. You also are ignoring his point.
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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A well trained people, to maintain the free state from tyrannical rule, the right of all people to keep and carry any weapon they chose to defend liberties, shall not be infringed.
Isnt this an interpretation?
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Old 02-27-2017, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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/sigh

As it pertains to the enumerated powers. The government has no more, no less power than what is specifically established by those 18 enumerated powers.

If we use your interpretation, we could essentially give the government unlimited power due to vague claims of a need to attend to the people.

Also, as has already been provided here, the founders were clear on the role and power of the federal government.

Again, you people ignore the founders own words and you ignore the meaning of words at the time to make up your version.

You are wrong, not because I say so, but because the founders clearly indicate you are.
My interpretation?

I have not offered any interpretation, I only offered the words in the Constitution itself.

The claim, which you are trying to defend, is that the word "provide" does not appear in the constitution, and that the Constitution.

You have been shown the word it there, so the claim is false/fake.

You can pretend the word is not there, or that is it there but means something completely different, or that it does not mean anything, but you are only making yourself look foolish.

The word is there.
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