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Old 03-08-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The rest of the civilized developed world has the answer.
See post #104:

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Would you agree to tax regressively plus add a 20%-25% VAT tax on top of that in the US to fund single payer health care for all?
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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American Medical Association (AMA) opposes Republican Bill to replace Obamacare

https://www.ama-assn.org/sites/defau...er-on-ahca.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/h...plan.html?_r=0

American Medical Association opposes GOP ObamaCare bill | TheHill
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: CT
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See post #104:

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Would you agree to tax regressively plus add a 20%-25% VAT tax on top of that in the US to fund single payer health care for all?
What difference does it make whether it's coming out of your pocket through taxes or insurance premiums? In the European model, everyone pays, in a privatized model many do not.
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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Gotta love a well placed straw man
How is prepaying for Medicare benefits for 40 years before eligibility for benefits even begins a "straw man?" It's fact.
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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What difference does it make whether it's coming out of your pocket through taxes or insurance premiums? In the European model, everyone pays, in a privatized model many do not.
I don't disagree. Same question to you...

Would you agree to tax regressively plus add a 20%-25% VAT tax on top of that in the US to fund single payer health care for all?
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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This morning I went to a blood test place and saw Medicare will not pay for routine blood test anymore. Is that what you want?
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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How is prepaying for Medicare benefits for 40 years before eligibility for benefits even begins a "straw man?" It's fact.
It's not a fact, it is a lie in the context to which that statement was made. The question being responded-to was Medicare for everyone, which means you use it at any age. So there is no "pre-payment", it is pay as you go.
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:07 AM
 
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That ship has sailed. US workers and retirees have $27 Trillion invested in their pension/retirement accounts. Those investments include stock holdings in for profit insurance companies, health care providers, Big Pharma, etc. You'd have to ask US workers and retirees to take a dramatic cut in their pensions and/or retirement draws to eliminate that problem. Guess how many will agree to that?
Reimburse them ie bailout.
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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So why FALSELY claim that "everyone pays?" That's patently false, and you know it.

We can't have an honest discussion when people blatantly lie.
Uh, I wasn't lying. We were talking about a Medicare plan for all, as in taxed similar to Medicare. It stands to reason that, if you're on Medicaid, you don't pay Medicare taxes and you wouldn't get the Medicare. You're bringing it up as a straw man.
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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This morning I went to a blood test place and saw Medicare will not pay for routine blood test anymore. Is that what you want?
Medicare does not cover blood tests that are not part of a diagnosis. So if you are getting an annual physical, the blood work is not covered.

To answer your question - yes, that is what I want.

Reason is this: Medicare is there to provide minimum healthcare for everyone over 65. It is mostly designed around treating diseases, cancer, trauma, hospitalization, etc. It does not cover very well non-critical things like check-ups, eye glasses, hearing aids, etc. Personally I think that is how it should be.

If you want to cover those other things, you are on your own and there are lots of policies that take up where Medicare leaves off. They call those Medigap plans.

To me, this is the perfect balance of publicly available minimum healthcare for everyone, but if you want more than the minimum, you go to private insurance and pay for it yourself. This keeps Medicare more affordable and pushes some of the responsibility back to the patient to pay for his/her own insurance if they want more complete coverage.

This should be available to everyone.
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