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Unless you're attributing the 0.5% to be the percentage of people shouting "DICKS IN MENS ROOM; VAGINAS IN WOMENS ROOM", it's pretty obvious that there are quite a number of people who do care about genitals.
So we handle cases of creepy guys doing illegal activities as they come? Not by policing genitals or well someone "passes" as a given gender?
People are scapegoating their fear and detest of a group of people under the guise of an imaginary boogeyman. Perhaps they need to stop peeping at the genitals of people they suspect to not be "really that gender". Perverts.
You speak like a typical BS lawyer.
Most people are against this sorta thing. I personally don't even really give a rip really at the end the day. Transgendered people should just do what they've been doing forever, use the head that you look like, no one is the wiser either way when discretion is used.
I don't know that this is an issue on either side, truth be told.
Where does this intolerance and hatred come from. If someone looks like a man why would you want to encounter them in the women's bathroom. No one is born prejudiced. We are taught. And it's pretty sad in this day and age that we are still dealing with this
For real.
Transgender persons use the bathroom for the same reason as 99.999% of people. My transgender friends who use changing rooms have always used private changing stalls rather than doing so in plain view. They're there to get changed for one reason or another and go about their day.
They ain't trying to steal a peak at some saggy boobs and crusty unwashed undergarments.
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You speak like a typical BS lawyer.
Eh, just a tax specialist and software developer.
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Most people are against this sorta thing.
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Transgendered people should just do what they've been doing forever, use the head that you look like, no one is the wiser either way when discretion is used.
Which they would do if people would stop threatening to assault and kill them for doing so?
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I don't know that this is an issue on either side, truth be told.
If it wasn't an issue, why are bills like SB6 and HB2 even a thing?? Why not just let people go where they wish and just punish the ones who use bathrooms and changing rooms to gawk at people?
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Transgender persons use the bathroom for the same reason as 99.999% of people. My transgender friends who use changing rooms have always used private changing stalls rather than doing so in plain view. They're there to get changed for one reason or another and go about their day.
They ain't trying to steal a peak at some saggy boobs and crusty unwashed undergarments.
See. this is the approach that I've always had, 99 percent of the transgendered people are just people trying to do their thing, I never thought it was anything more than that, but I was told by many people that it's more, so IDK. I think that the average trans person is and has been using discretion for a long time. I don't know what the problem is here.
Fantastic. Another bill wasting time obsessing over TG people spending a whole 3 minutes using the bathroom.
Its not just about bathrooms. It's about multiple occupancy locker/shower rooms, too.
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"Girls from a swim team in New York City's Upper West Side are too scared to use the women's locker room at a Parks Department swimming pool. In March, a sign appeared noting that everyone has the the right to use the restroom or locker room consistent with their "gender identity or gender expression." Around the same time, the girls, who range in age from about seven to 18, became concerned after they saw a "bearded individual" in the women's changing room.
...An employee at the center who spoke on condition of anonymity says the individual using the locker room appears to present as a man—wearing swim shorts or trunks to swim, with sideburns going down into a beard—which is partly what alarms the girls and their parents. Staff members have also been warned that asking individuals to prove their gender identity would be discriminatory. "Our hands are tied," the worker said. "We can't say anything about it."
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Which, if we go by purely biological sex, SB6 would have the side effect of legislating people with chest hair and beards changing into swim trunks in the women's room.
Oh, but us critics don't understand. What they really want is for transgendered people to stay in the closet and live a miserable life as their birth sex. And not allowing them to use the bathroom or locker room of the gender with which they identify is an almost sure fire way to cause any transgender person to not come out of the closet in the first place. Really evil way of thinking. But then again, these people think that Gender Dysphoria isn't real and that these people are making a choice
See. this is the approach that I've always had, 99 percent of the transgendered people are just people trying to do their thing, I never thought it was anything more than that, but I was told by many people that it's more, so IDK. I think that the average trans person is and has been using discretion for a long time. I don't know what the problem is here.
The problem boils down to bills/laws like SB6 legislating that transgender people use bathrooms and changing facilities based upon their biological sex rather than based upon how they present.
That's literally the problem.
Transgender people want to use the bathroom and changing facilities that corresponds to their presented gender, but more laws are cropping up stating that they can't.
Oh, but us critics don't understand. What they really want is for transgendered people to stay in the closet and live a miserable life as their birth sex. And not allowing them to use the bathroom or locker room of the gender with which they identify is an almost sure fire way to cause any transgender person to not come out of the closet in the first place. Really evil way of thinking. But then again, these people think that Gender Dysphoria isn't real and that these people are making a choice
Well yeah, then they can point to suicide rates amongst people with Gender Dysphoria and proclaim how terrible it is.
The problem boils down to bills/laws like SB6 legislating that transgender people use bathrooms and changing facilities based upon their biological sex rather than based upon how they present.
That's literally the problem.
Transgender people want to use the bathroom and changing facilities that corresponds to their presented gender, but more laws are cropping up stating that they can't.
Like, that's the problem.
Again, how would anyone know, I mean transgendered have been doing this since the dawn of time, I don't get it. If a person looks like a woman, use the woman's restroom, use discretion. I say the same for men.
Screw the law, It would be more awkward for a woman transgender to use the male restroom because he's got a penis. None of this stuff is making sense here.
I think the hoopla is stemming from the crowd that are worried about the abuses by creeps, I personally don't think that the average every day transgendered person is a creep and out with nefarious activities, again, I'm approaching this as a person that views transgendered persons as just people. I think the hysteria is about the middle group of creeps that are looking to abuse the issue.....
Again, how would anyone know, I mean transgendered have been doing this since the dawn of time, I don't get it. If a person looks like a woman, use the woman's restroom, use discretion. I say the same for men.
For someone who would need to use the facilities in a school, such as a student or teacher, it would be known what their biological sex is versus their presented gender. And while some schools make accommodations, others do not.
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Screw the law, It would be more awkward for a woman transgender to use the male restroom because he's got a penis. None of this stuff is making sense here.
If she's a transgender woman, she may or may not have a penis. At least in the women's room, she can discreetly urinate in a private stall where the only people who'd even see if she had one would be a nosy busy-body pervert trying to sneak a peek.
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I think the hoopla is stemming from the crowd that are worried about the abuses by creeps, I personally don't think that the average every day transgendered person is a creep and out with nefarious activities, again, I'm approaching this as a person that views transgendered persons as just people. I think the hysteria is about the middle group of creeps that are looking to abuse the issue.....
I don't doubt that there are going to be creeps who pull shady malarkey to try and harass/assault people in bathrooms. I'd like to see tougher laws on prosecuting those douchefrigates. I personally don't like the idea of laws that put several of my friends in harm's way just because some Creeper McCreeperkins can't get his fix of naked ladies on Tumblr.
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