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Old 03-09-2017, 03:21 PM
 
Location: London
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And instead focus efforts on something that can be acknowledged by pretty much everyone -- the need for clean air and water?

It just seems a whole lotta energy is being spent by different groups bickering over whether climate change exists, which takes the spotlight away from other more concrete and immediate issues.

Why not set that aside and focus on keeping air and water safe from excessive pollution?

For those who are skeptical of climate change, would you be on board with having a much narrower - albeit still nationwide - set of regulations that exist only to minimize pollution/contamination levels in the air and water supply?
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Old 03-09-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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For those who are skeptical of climate change, would you be on board with having a much narrower - albeit still nationwide - set of regulations that exist only to minimize pollution/contamination levels in the air and water supply?
I thought we already had a whole raft of such regulations.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:12 PM
 
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We already have that. Besides....Why do you need the government to convince you to not take a dump in your living room?
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:17 PM
 
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And instead focus efforts on something that can be acknowledged by pretty much everyone -- the need for clean air and water?

It just seems a whole lotta energy is being spent by different groups bickering over whether climate change exists, which takes the spotlight away from other more concrete and immediate issues.

Why not set that aside and focus on keeping air and water safe from excessive pollution?

For those who are skeptical of climate change, would you be on board with having a much narrower - albeit still nationwide - set of regulations that exist only to minimize pollution/contamination levels in the air and water supply?
I hear your argument, and I think it's a good one.

Even if you deny climate change (or you deny that humans are a main/major contributor), we should all care about an environment of non-polluted drinkable water sources and clean air. I think this is definitely something we can all get behind - and, generally, we have been behind this for decades (Republican or Democrat presidents and Congresses have all endorsed environmental laws and regulations for decades).


An additional point related to all of this is the need (eventual need) to get off of fossil fuels since they are a non-renewable/non-sustainable source of energy. That doesn't mean that we get off of them today - but it does mean we should start REALLY planning for a world without them. This is also something we should all care about, regardless of one's opinions on climate change.

Time has a way of going by fast - and even if we improve our technologies to better utilize/mine the remaining resources, we'll never change the fact that they are a finite resource that will be gone. The sun's energy is nearly limitless (e.g. in forms such as sun light, heat, and its effect on weather (wind, wave power)), and if we can figure out a way to harness only a fraction of it, we can power our world for essentially forever (as long as there is a Sun...which there should be for a few billion years).
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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The problem is that Flint, Michigan and similar scandals in other places are buried by mainstream media when it should be top news for week after week. That is the dumbing down of the airwaves and the scandals can continue. People just dont know how bad it is because corporate media refuse to focus on it.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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Too much overlap. Air pollution is the biggest cause of climate change...might as well kill two birds with one stone.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:26 PM
 
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And instead focus efforts on something that can be acknowledged by pretty much everyone -- the need for clean air and water?

It just seems a whole lotta energy is being spent by different groups bickering over whether climate change exists, which takes the spotlight away from other more concrete and immediate issues.

Why not set that aside and focus on keeping air and water safe from excessive pollution?

For those who are skeptical of climate change, would you be on board with having a much narrower - albeit still nationwide - set of regulations that exist only to minimize pollution/contamination levels in the air and water supply?
Ok, I will play.

Place this in the hands of the states.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:29 PM
 
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Ok, I will play.

Place this in the hands of the states.
How do you address the issue that polluted air and polluted waterways (to a lesser extent) don't recognize state (or international) borders?
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:33 PM
 
Location: London
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We already have that. Besides....Why do you need the government to convince you to not take a dump in your living room?
I'm talking about regulations that prohibit things like dumping hazardous waste into rivers and the like. If we already have them, then I'm arguing in favor of keeping those regulations rather than nixing them, which I hear some people want to do away with.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Only when there is scientific evidence of "climate change", not normal variations, and due to humans.
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