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Old 03-29-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
from your very own link "when an offender kills"

What part of offender confuses you? hint the homeowner isn't the offender

Go read the law again. It's quite clear to any sober person.

Last edited by CaseyB; 03-30-2017 at 04:02 PM.. Reason: Off topic
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:01 PM
 
Location: FL
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Moral of the story: Don't make burglary a career choice.


Alternate moral of the story: If you are going to make burglary a career choice, don't break into a house where someone has a semi automatic gun at the ready.


Carry on.
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:08 PM
 
Location: FL
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At times Americans don't abide by unjust laws. That's what makes us special. The sheep don't think, they just do as they are told.
If you break the law even if you don't agree with it, you risk jail time if caught.
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:10 PM
 
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I bet you two-bits she get a deal, a gravy deal.
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:13 PM
 
Location: FL
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She shouldn't be charged with any murder unless it can be proved she knew the house was dangerous to rob.
I wonder what's the maximum years she can get for burglary. There has to be some reason for them to pursue this with the first degree charge.
Any house is dangerous to rob. People have guns.
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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3 clearly outmatched criminals (16-18 yrs old) are deceased after a failed home invasion, their getaway driver is charged with their murders.

Getaway driver arrested after 3 suspects are shot to death in Wagoner Co. home invasion | KOKH
I think this stretch of the law, extending murder charges to all who have any connection to a crime that leaves someone dead, should be ended. Charges should be appropriate for each person's involvement and provable intent. It gives too much power to police and prosecutors, as it is now. Many people are spending 20 years in prison, who had no idea a crime was planned, but happened to be riding in the wrong car.

The most successful prosecutors are those whose hearts are filled with malice for their fellow human beings. They have too many opportunities to serve their own careers, at the expense of the lives of others. The adversarial system of prosecution, is just plain wrong. No prosecutor should be allowed to demonize a defendant, but just to present the evidence. If prosecutors ever falsify or magnify anything to get convictions, they should be the ones serving long terms in prison.
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:32 PM
 
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2nd degree. There was no first degree murder. Noone planned a murder which is what 1st degree is. If you want her to stay in jail just charge her correctly with a bunch of charges and make the terms consecutive and maximum. Problem solved without diluting the meaning of 1st degree murder. Should the consecutive terms not be long enough, change the law on second degree murder to allow the possibility of a longer sentence.

Words mean things. I realize this is controversial here with gross misuse of terms, socialist, communist, marxist, fascist, nazi.
you dont have to plan a murder to be charged with first degree murder. in this case the girl was in on the planning of the crime, and the result of that crime was a death. that alone allows for first degree murder charges, in this case three counts.

you can also be charged with first degree murder if you kill a cop, even though you didnt plan to.
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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So if the robbers took Uber to the crime and the criminals told the driver to "stay here, we will be right back", the driver should also be charged? What if the criminals jumped on a city bus after the robbery? Should all the passengers be charged as accessories?
You might try doing more than using the think emoticon and actually think. An Uber or bus driver is hardly a knowing accomplice, is he? Why do liberals go to such extreme lengths to try and protect criminals over and over and over.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What makes her crime especiallty heinous is 2 of the 3 dead perps were minors. She was one of only two adults and the oldest of the bunch.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Am I the only one that thinks its dumb to charge her with that? There are tons of things you can charge her with but we are diluting the meaning of 1st degree murder. Why not just call everything 1st degree murder.
I tend to agree. It seems to be tied into the "no tolerance" mentality. "No tolerance" policies are created because those in charge of enforcement are too incompetent to make a rational decision. I think charging this woman with triple 1st degree murder is irrational as it comes.
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