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Old 04-05-2017, 05:14 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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yes it's time for the folks who never so much as ran a lemonade stand tell business owners how to run their shops.
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Employers mostly republican because they own about 70% do not want Everify-- why?
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Old 04-05-2017, 05:16 AM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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20 states have e-verify and most have penalties associated with the process. http://www.ncsl.org/research/immigra...erify-faq.aspx

Illegal immigration is on a decline and has been for 8 years now.

Problem is the people who have been allowed to live here for 20 years or more. They should just be given a path to citizenship. Most have businesses are not using social programs and are just trying to live here. The govt. has allowed them by having them 'check in', not giving them legal status but not deporting them. They may start to now but is that the 'right' thing to do. Families being split up because the govt. couldn't get its act together before is not right.


There are penalties and laws all over the place. Obama taught us they don't have to be enforced. Well maybe we knew that already but he put it out there with a big bold font and lots of exclamation points. As a partisan leftist you have no interest in seeing this though.
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Old 04-05-2017, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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It's not very racist to inconvenience the agriculture and hospitality business leaders. They are mostly white and walk on water. The republicans want to do this in the most racist way possible to satisfy their knuckle dragger base.
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Old 04-05-2017, 05:58 AM
 
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yes it's time for the folks who never so much as ran a lemonade stand tell business owners how to run their shops.
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Love your "Posting from Russia," status.

Our Constitution is our protection from the wealthy. It grew out of the Magna Carta and while it is not perfect, it is our basic protection from being ruled by the wealthy.

Now business owners (corporate world/wealthy) try to set themselves up as grand, important people, "wealth producers," if you will. They insist that their needs are more important than everyone else's.

This is false.

The actual wealth producers are the people actually working, producing something. The farmers growing seeds into salads are actually producing wealth. The software engineers turning ideas into medical devices are producing wealth. The miners bringing coal to market are producing wealth, turning coal into gold.

The people who trade that gold didn't produce it. They are not the "wealth producers."

Though some business owners operate honestly adding organization and solid financial management to the effort, others cheat workers out of what they're owed, scam investors out of money, appropriate or lay waste to natural resources that belong to all of us, use tax dodges to avoid paying their fair share of the freight...

Our Constitution is designed to protect the people. It is constantly being undermined for the benefit of the wealthy and going through another such test now.

If business owners don't like running their shops according to the law, then this is not the country for them.
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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Reading all the anti-illegal immigrant, and sometimes the occasional anti-legal immigrant posts, I always wonder why everybody is targeting the immigrants who are "stealing the jobs", and absolutely no one is willing to blame the employers. Why is nobody complaining about the sleazebags who choose to hire illegals instead of American citizens? Why is nobody complaining about the tech companies who hire from abroad instead of trying to find college graduates here in the United States? If you support Trump's Wall, shouldn't you also support heavier penalties/restrictions on the scummy owners using illegal labor?

Have you been living under a rock? We anti-illegals have always said that the employers need to be stopped. We are for e-verify and severely punishing the employers who hire illegal aliens. On the other hand the pro-illegals only want to blame the employer but not the illegal aliens at all. They are both equally guilty of breaking the law and they both must be held accountable.


We have also complained about the foreigners being brought here on visas to do tech jobs. Now once and for all, we are for the wall along with punishing the employers, deporting illegal aliens, stopping outsourcing and insourcing of foreigners taking American jobs. Get it now???
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Why does no one want to blame the employers?

It's SO obvious to anyone paying attention.

They're job creators according to the GOP.

They don't need to be harassed for hiring illegals. They deserve big tax cuts.
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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It's not very racist to inconvenience the agriculture and hospitality business leaders. They are mostly white and walk on water. The republicans want to do this in the most racist way possible to satisfy their knuckle dragger base.
When all other arguments fail, cry racism.
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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Exactly.

If they went after employers, the whole immigration mess would be cleared up in a couple months.

This is how other nations keep a handle on outsiders getting jobs meant for citizens. They penalize employers.

This whole wall and deportation nonsense is for show.

Utter nonsense! It would take more than going after the employers to stop them. We'd need to deny birthright citizenship for their kids and benefits. also. We need to remove all the means to support themselves here.


As for the wall, are criminals and terrorists coming here for jobs? So I don't know what you mean by the wall being for show. Deportation nonsense? Um, our immigration laws state that as illegals are detected they must be deported.
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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Reading all the anti-illegal immigrant, and sometimes the occasional anti-legal immigrant posts, I always wonder why everybody is targeting the immigrants who are "stealing the jobs", and absolutely no one is willing to blame the employers. Why is nobody complaining about the sleazebags who choose to hire illegals instead of American citizens? Why is nobody complaining about the tech companies who hire from abroad instead of trying to find college graduates here in the United States? If you support Trump's Wall, shouldn't you also support heavier penalties/restrictions on the scummy owners using illegal labor?
Then the liberals will demand equal opportunity for illegal immigrants.

But you have a point. Could it be that big money companies are Liberal who want cheaper labor. They want people fighting the fight FOR illegal immigration? Essentially people are doing the big companies bidding and fighting against their own benefit. You gotta think about it and look deeper.
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Old 04-05-2017, 09:43 AM
 
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20 states have e-verify and most have penalties associated with the process. http://www.ncsl.org/research/immigra...erify-faq.aspx

Illegal immigration is on a decline and has been for 8 years now.

Problem is the people who have been allowed to live here for 20 years or more. They should just be given a path to citizenship. Most have businesses are not using social programs and are just trying to live here. The govt. has allowed them by having them 'check in', not giving them legal status but not deporting them. They may start to now but is that the 'right' thing to do. Families being split up because the govt. couldn't get its act together before is not right.

No, now we have thousands of Central Americans coming here along with many refugees. No, no illegals should be given a path to citizenship. Just because they managed to evade the law for a long time they shouldn't be rewarded for it. They most likely committed felony ID theft also. Americans need their jobs back and it would negate our sane annual quotas for legal immigration for years to come. No, that is not the right thing to do for Americans. Why should families be split apart? The whole family can return to their homelands together, family intact. What happens when an American breaks the law they can be separated by that also? Should lawbreakers get a pass because they have families. Here's a link for you.


Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare - Judicial Watch
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