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Old 04-05-2017, 05:45 PM
 
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President Trump met with President Sisi of Egypt and King Abdullah of Jordan this week - I expect they gave him a different perspective on the Butcher of Damascus. The entire Arab League is very, very anti-Assad. TeamObama spent years propping him up and now President Trump is learning more from the guys in the Neighborhood.

Add to that -- Assad went on another Chemical Murder run ..... just to show he could.
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Old 04-05-2017, 05:50 PM
 
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All day I've been hearing Syria this Assad that. Do the media and politicians have any brains? I must ask the same of some forum members too. I talked to a friend today for awhile. He's a chemist and was a CW expert in the US army. He knows his chit.

Has anyone considered that there was no actual readied chemical warfare agent involved at all, whether from an insurgent stash or from Syrian AF munitions. Judging by all the eyewitness accounts, reported injuries, the photos from the area et cetera, it frankly sounds like the Syrian AF bombed a reinforced militant compound and all kinds of junk the latter had cooking there was released as a result.

Some of that junk might have been related to chemical weapons production, but it wasn't any readied agents that caused the poisonings, rather precursors in that case, because none of the typical agents share properties with what's being reported. It sounds more like a mix of various noxious and common/easy to produce gaseous chemicals, ranging from chlorine (smoke in various colors depending on purity, respiratory issues, frothing, terrible smell) to HCN (terrible smell, spasms, seizures and sudden death) etc.

The Syrian airforce did bomb something there, was this a result of that bombing? Did the SAF realize what the rebels had there? They used SU-22s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9fb0Y-JuH8 I know Al Q can make nerve agent, so can the Turkish militants and FSA.

WTF???
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Old 04-05-2017, 05:51 PM
 
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I give him credit for changing his mind, the question is where do we go from here. Lacking from his statement was any criticism of Russia.


"I will tell you that attack on children yesterday had a big impact on me – big impact,” Trump said in the White House Rose Garden. “My attitude toward Syria and Assad has changed very much … You’re now talking about a whole different level.”


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ki-haley-assad
Lets see what he proposes.

I don't have any interest in more regime change.
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Old 04-05-2017, 06:20 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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The guy has been talking about backing Assad or leaving him alone for months (whatever Vlad wants).

Oh, yeah, now he thinks Assad is a bad guy. And he sounded like a big fat phony. I don't think he's changed his mind, because I don't thing he even gave it a thought before.

I think Ivanka wrote it for him, as he has no idea how to feel bad for anyone, including children. Ivanka told him he should feel bad. These are the people he has railed against, the people he has been banning--the people he refuses to help--the muslim refugees.

Then that hypocrite has the absolute incredible idiotic nerve to blame this on Obama and leave out Putin who has propped Assad up and bombed children for him for months. This is beyond disgusting.
I just saw McCain on TV. He blamed it on Obama too. Something about drawing lines in the sand and then backing down.
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Old 04-05-2017, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Lets see what he proposes.

I don't have any interest in more regime change.
I'm not sure where we go from here but Assad needs to be held accountable and Russia needs to take responsibility. Regime changes have not turned out well but in this case could it possibly get worse, I don't see Assad being able to rule over a country the size of Syria after his actions. This cannot continue.
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Old 04-05-2017, 06:36 PM
 
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I'm not sure where we go from here but Assad needs to be held accountable and Russia needs to take responsibility. Regime changes have not turned out well but in this case could it possibly get worse, I don't see Assad being able to rule over a country the size of Syria after his actions. This cannot continue.
Nothing is going to change and you know it. There is absolutely no way we can fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen and take on the Russians and the Assad regime in Syria. I wouldn't be surprised to see China step in also.
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Old 04-05-2017, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I did not hear much sincerity in Trump's message on the gas attack. He read from a script, something he does not do when he believes what he is saying.
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Old 04-05-2017, 06:53 PM
 
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Is it asking too much to hope he realizes it's not our war and stays out of it?

Because for me, that's the only acceptable (in)action.
Agreed.
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Old 04-05-2017, 07:12 PM
 
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I'm not sure where we go from here but Assad needs to be held accountable and Russia needs to take responsibility. Regime changes have not turned out well but in this case could it possibly get worse, I don't see Assad being able to rule over a country the size of Syria after his actions. This cannot continue.
I don't that I believe that there were gas attacks. Syria removed it chemical weapons in part of a deal with the UN, all weapons were confirmed destroyed in 2014.
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Old 04-05-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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It's just rhetoric. The real Trump is the Trump we heard on the campaign trail. He's just being told to act more presidential.
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