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Old 04-16-2017, 11:00 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A competent engineer/architect would not allow such a risk.
That's a load of crap. How many buildings have escalaters? They can be deadly if a child gets caught in them, as well.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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More precise articles state the child was no more than 4-5 feet away from his parents:

Boy, 5, Crushed to Death at Sun Dial Rotating Restaurant in Atlanta - NBC News

That's not 'wandering' to normal people.
Other than going to the bathroom, in which case a parent would be going with him, there is no reason why a child should be wandering around a restaurant.

And yes, this is "wandering" to normal people. Even the police called it wandering.

"Police said Charlie Holt, 5, wandered away from his family's table and got lodged between the wall and a table as the floor rotated."

SUN DIAL RESTAURANT DEATH: Child dies after getting stuck in rotator at Sun Dial | WSB-TV

If he was just walking over to look out the window, why was a parent not with him?

Not blaming the parents as I'm sure they are doing enough of that themselves.

But this was a preventable tragedy.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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That's a load of crap. How many buildings have escalaters? They can be deadly if a child gets caught in them, as well.
And escalators kill people. But you work very had to make that as improbable as possible. Any gap able to crush a child's head would never be designed.

A properly designed, constructed and maintained restaurant turntable would not have any pinch points or would have sensors to guard them if they could not be fully avoided.

Off hand I can't think of a reason why a pinch point capable of crushing a small person would be needed.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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And escalators kill people. But you work very had to make that as improbable as possible.
It still happens, and buildings are still constructed with them to this day, even though the risk of injury/death exists.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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Good, sound engineering CAN minimize risks.

Cars are more safe than ever, but if you pull a Thelma and Louise, well, good luck to ya.

As far as escalators, I'm sure there are issues. It is hard to keep loose clothing, long hair etc out of small gaps but again, risks are minimized.

There are limits to engineering as well. Its one thing to recognize a paper jam in a printer, it something entirely different to recognize a body part caught in several tons of moving building. It would be similar to trying to recognize you just ran over a dime in your car.

None the less, IMHO, a 'good' engineer, with the responsibility of designing a rotating restaurant, should have seen a 4-5" moving gap in a public space as a potential for injury or worse.

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Old 04-16-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: FL
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The child was five feet away when this incident happened. That doesn't mean the child wasn't all over the place before that. In a restaurant, a child should remain seated. There is no good reason to allow a five year old to roam about. Poor etiquette and poor parenting. If the child is a behavioral problem, the parents should not have taken him to a restaurant until he learned he is not to leave the table until he is excused. That was the way I was raised. Even at home, us kids were not allowed to leave the table until we were excused.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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It will be interesting to see the more technical reviews of what happened. It appears he got caught between a table on the moving floor and the fixed structure. But how could that happen? Crushing a skull is going to require some significant forces which clearly occurred as the turntable stopped on detecting the increased load. But why did not the table simply move? Was it fastened to the moving floor? If so right there is one heck of a good liability suit against whoever fastened it down.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:39 AM
 
Location: FL
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You have no idea if that child was 'all over the place" other than it fits your narrative.

I'm wondering how many of these parent blamers have ever been parents themselves.
I had kids and they weren't allowed to leave the table. Did you ever see a server get knocked over because a child ran into her as she was coming out of the kitchen with a tray of food?
They should be seated with the parents.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Hell was invented for morally sick people who can't distinguish between a waiter dropping a tray of food and a 5-year-old getting crushed to death.
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Old 04-16-2017, 11:51 AM
 
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Other than going to the bathroom, in which case a parent would be going with him, there is no reason why a child should be wandering around a restaurant.

And yes, this is "wandering" to normal people. Even the police called it wandering.

"Police said Charlie Holt, 5, wandered away from his family's table and got lodged between the wall and a table as the floor rotated."

SUN DIAL RESTAURANT DEATH: Child dies after getting stuck in rotator at Sun Dial | WSB-TV

If he was just walking over to look out the window, why was a parent not with him?

Not blaming the parents as I'm sure they are doing enough of that themselves.

But this was a preventable tragedy.
Of course you're blaming the parents. And of course in many accidents a different behavior by parents would change what happened.
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