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Old 04-25-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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Trump voters would be category #1, the far right
LOL. I wish. Lots of more center right people voted for him as well, this is a unfair characterization. Lot of people voted for him because they thought Hillary would get us into a war for example.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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America has three main political factions:

1) The far-right, which wants to turn back the clock to 1890. It's an odd coalition of libertarians (who seem unaware that the Gilded Age ever happened), the Religious Right, and Alt-Right nut-jobs. This faction is the "grass roots" or "base" of the Republican Party.

2) The rational-right, which is mainly made up of Big Business interests who want neoliberal economic policy and open borders.
I'm sorry OP but I stopped reading as soon as you put rational and open borders in the same sentence.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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Wait until your conservative Supreme Court decides we all need to supplement religious institutions. It's coming...
^ Absurd scare-mongering.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:43 PM
 
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LOL. I wish. Lots of more center right people voted for him as well, this is a unfair characterization. Lot of people voted for him because they thought Hillary would get us into a war for example.
No, those people are far right.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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No, those people are far right.
So far right is the desire to not be in any wars? Since when?
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:55 PM
 
Location: MO
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Slavery was a direct result of libertarian politics, which allows power and money to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants.

It took Big Evil Government(tm) to put an end to slavery in the South and de-facto slavery in the mines and mills of the North.
Classic regurgitated progressive talking point. Slavery existed in the Americas before the United States, so I suppose that you think 18th century Britain was libertarian also?

A libertarian society completely rejects involuntary servitude, so no it did not come from "libertarian politics".

You had a rational left candidate in Jim Webb, but nobody in the Democrat party would listen to him. The DNC just had to have Hillary Clinton because they are a bunch of corporatists. (As you implied in the opening post) as is the Republican party.

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Old 04-25-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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So far right is the desire to not be in any wars? Since when?
you said "Lots of more center right people voted for him as well"

i said "Those people were far right"
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:47 PM
 
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you said "Lots of more center right people voted for him as well"

i said "Those people were far right"
Ah, thought you were referring to my other sentence.

Shrug. Its all relative. In most of the world Clinton was center right, and Sanders wasnt far left.
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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America has three main political factions:

1) The far-right, which wants to turn back the clock to 1890. It's an odd coalition of libertarians (who seem unaware that the Gilded Age ever happened), the Religious Right, and Alt-Right nut-jobs. This faction is the "grass roots" or "base" of the Republican Party.

2) The rational-right, which is mainly made up of Big Business interests who want neoliberal economic policy and open borders. This faction is represented by the establishment of both the Republican and Democratic Parties.

3) The far-left, which is made up of anti-vaxxers, New Age quacks, career academics, urban hipsters, angry feminists, over-zealous environmentalists, anti-nuclear people, etc. This faction is is the "grass roots" or "base" of the Democratic Party.

What we really don't have in this country is a "rational left" that focuses on economic issues. We don't have a significant faction that cares about the following: the growing gap between the rich and everyone else, job losses due to neoliberalism and automation, employee rights, working conditions, vacation time, corruption of politics by corporate interests, etc.

In my opinion, we desperately need a Rational Left that focuses on the economic issues facing the bottom 99%, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual preferences, etc. We need a new FDR and a "New" New Deal. Enough with the identity politics that divides the 99%!
So...just more typical Marxist stuff?
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:48 PM
 
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[b]What we really don't have in this country is a "rational left"
That is an oxymoron.
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