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Old 05-02-2017, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Want higher taxes? Thats what it takes.
Reportedly, Detroit has the second highest property taxes in the country.

Not much of a commercial base compared to many other cities. Funding has to come from somewhere.
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:38 AM
 
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Detroit needs jobs, so as to enable productive citizens to become tax payers, and also encourage productive citizens to move to Detroit. The jobs left decades ago. Democraps didn't care. They said those jobs were not good enough anymore, and so many jobs went south, or left the country. Those jobs are good enough for the people working them now. Sucks to be you, Detroit.


At one point you might have been correct. Now, jobs are not to blame for the violence that is happening there.
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:49 AM
 
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Yes, Detroit needs Republican intervention to help turn itself around. That has helped elsewhere in the state....just ask Flint.

Interesting...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429803/
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:56 AM
 
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I live just outside of Detroit and here is my take.

The government of Detroit is the best that it has been in a long time and about the best that can be expected. Yes, Democratic policies over the years contributed much to the decline of Detroit, but Detroit has improved in many areas, especially downtown, and other neighborhoods throughout the city are finally being stabilized.

The current mayor is a Democrat, but he had some good private sector experience before becoming mayor and is very business orientated. Not to mention he is white in a city that is about 85% black, and he is very well respected among the blacks. The police chief is also doing a great job and seems to have growing support from the community for turning in the bad guys. They have also implemented a security program at gas stations and party stores by installing HD cameras directly linked to the police department.

As for the lack of police officers: I'm sure the mayor would love to hire thousands, but you have to pay for them. A good mayor watches the budget. True, there is a lot of waste and corruption, but you have to credit an chief executive for watching the bottom line.

As for the expectation that police can reduce or eliminate crime: Police don't commit the crimes, the residents do. If you have law-abiding residents, you don't need a lot of police. If you have a city full of thugs, you could hire tens of thousands of cops and you would still have a lot of crime. Place blame accordingly.

As for the lack of police cars, there has been some talk in the past few years of increasing cops on foot patrol, especially in the business districts. I'm not sure how extensive this has been.


I agree with you. And for the most part , Detroit is the safest it's been in years with the exception of certain areas. Every single day we turn on the news in the morning to see them reporting on a shooting. Every day! And these aren't botched robberies in most cases. It is someone that is sitting in their car, that gets executed or it's a drive by where these thugs lace a house with bullets. Just this morning a 7 year old kid was shot in the neck while sleeping due to a drive by. One poster mentioned jobs...jobs aren't going to take care of this kind of violence.


Now hopefully the citizens of Detroit realize Duggan is doing a pretty fair job, and that they don't vote him out for that asshat Young. If that happens, you will see the city slide back down.
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Detroit needs jobs, so as to enable productive citizens to become tax payers, and also encourage productive citizens to move to Detroit. The jobs left decades ago. Democraps didn't care. They said those jobs were not good enough anymore, and so many jobs went south, or left the country. Those jobs are good enough for the people working them now. Sucks to be you, Detroit.
Detroit rose and fell with the auto industry. Diversification of its economic base was limited. Detroit recruited masses from Apelachia, rural South and Europe. The elephant in the room was racial discrimination. Whites got the better jobs and opportunities for housing. Blacks were paid less for the same job and paid more for substandard housing than whites. No laws made employment, compensation and housing discrimination illegal.

Tensions exploded in 1946 with the Detroit riots. And the white population began to flee to the suburbs along with plants and parts businesses.

Population peaked in 1950, 67 years ago. The Big Three either acquired smaller manufacturers or put them out of business. Manufacturing was decentralized and moved to the white suburbs, other states, Canada and Mexico.

The oil embargo of the 70's impacted the Big Three and foreign manufactured cars were more suited to the changing times. By the end of the 70's Chysler, once #2, ahead of Ford, was on the verge of bankruptcy due to decades of lousy management decisions. Their factories were not capable of taking advantage of post WW2 technology substitution. Executive comp was bloated. They were locked into legacy labor contracts.

The Detroit population is a fraction of what it once was. On a per capita basis, the size of the Police Force as well has all municipal services has shrunk with the population. Some neighborhoods have been paying for private security for decades. This is not unique to Detroit.

No different than Appalachia, the rural South or say Gary, Indiana, populations have been making economic migrations since forever. Some choose to stay planted, despite the lack of opportunities.
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:02 AM
 
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The cities population is down 1.2 million people from its peak. The cities population is the smallest is been in about 100 years. Should anyone be surprised that the police force, consequently, has shrunk as well?
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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Detroit's taxes are plenty high enough. Ask any business owner who does business there, or anyone who owns their own home in Detroit. One major problem is, Detroit has done a fine job of chasing the precious few tax payers away, and they are not coming back. So, Detroit will continue to rot, and everyone fully expects that to continue for decades on end.
Population peaked in 1950.

Current population is a fraction of what it once was. Detroit rose and fell with the concentration and then decentralization and contraction of the US auto industry.

Any manufacturing plant has a predefined projected useful life. At some future date every plant becomes obsolete. It's often cheaper to build new elsewhere with state/ municipal subsidies than it is to retool.
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Born & Raised DC > Carolinas > Seattle > Denver
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Where's Trump? He said he was going to fix inner-cities, make urban neighborhoods safe again.

Fixing the ghetto was one of Trump's biggest campaign speeches, after the wall, locker her up, and healthcare. "What have African Americans got to lose?!"

So....where is the help? Where is the funding?! Cops are bing shot in Detroit, 180 murders already in Chicago. Where is the federal money and where are the federal police? Or was that just more BS from Trump?!

HONEST QUESTION HERE FOLKS, LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER. Since taking office, has anybody even heard Trump mention helping the inner-cities at all? Because he talked about it during the campaign and in his inauguration speech...but he has yet to actually do anything....

Trump said he was going to help black communities that have turned into "war zones." Yet kids are being murdered in the streets of Chicago every single day. Nothing from Trump. Donald sure has made time to play a lot of golf, though.
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Detroit needs jobs, so as to enable productive citizens to become tax payers, and also encourage productive citizens to move to Detroit. The jobs left decades ago. Democraps didn't care. They said those jobs were not good enough anymore, and so many jobs went south, or left the country. Those jobs are good enough for the people working them now. Sucks to be you, Detroit.
Can't imagine Detroit ever said " those jobs were not good enough, anymore". Got a link?

It costs more to retool a 75 year old plant than to build new somewhere else.

States and municipalities compete for business/ jobs. Right to work states often have an advantage.
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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