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Democratic Socialism with Capitalism. When the quality is life is far higher in areas of Northern Europe, then you may ask what should we have to put up with this?
Corporate power is as much of a danger as government power.
Prageru is a Koch brothers funded propaganda outlet, pushing a libertarian, social darwinian agenda.
Massive corruption and the top 1% ruling with an iron fist is what "ruins" Brazil and a lot of other countries.
What matters is what the top 1% oligarchy in any country decides to do. Change is a threat to any system of power, and development and growth means change. The top 1% in any country prefer the status quo as they seek to entrench their interests, status, power and privileges. In some countries however, they are forced to accept change and thus development. Democratization of the economy and society, with an emphasis on education and busting monopolies and breaking up entrenched vested interests is a radical concept and not some type of automatic inevitable process.
Yep.
I have lived in Brasil/Brazil and I can tell you for a fact that Brazil was a basket case long before its current government came along. The poverty is both astonishing and demoralizing. The upper 1% lives well at the expense of the remaining 99% - mostly packed into slums called favelas. The northeast part of the nation exists in a perpetual state of semi-starvation. This has been true for at least the past 50 years if not longer. "Socialism" has nothing to do with this. That course referred to in the OP is nothing other than an exercise in spoon fed propaganda - very attractive to uneducated 45 supporters but of no validity or purpose for anyone else. If OP is truly concerned about the people of Brazil, he should send in a donation to a reputable relief agency.
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to all of you who feel the need to explain how Brazil has struggled with previous administrations as well....
the OP doesn't care -- they aren't look for facts...they are looking for propaganda to be used to justify their ideology. Facts are not part of the program. It's all about what people feel when they take sound bites and use them to support their ideology
Well you certainly do have me all wrong. I've lived most of the last 15 years outside the US in 5 different continents (currently in the Middle East) and I own property in Spain and considered living there under the Golden Visa plan.
On the thread topic, the US like those other countries has a Capitalism/Socialism mix with less Socialism on the scale than most of those countries. I wouldn't mind some slight increase in our Socialism but if we go too far, we will be like Brazil as they are the country most like ours in size, population and demographics far more than any of those countries you idealized.
LOL, Brazil is a far more ruthless society than America. America is far more "socialist" as you call it. The word you are look for is social democracy. Brazil has had NO Franklin D Roosevelt, New Deal and Great Society. Brazil has very little to do with "socialism" (you seem to have no clue what it is, socialism means workers owning the means of production) and everything to do with massive corruption.
LOL, Brazil is a far more ruthless society than America. America is far more "socialist" as you call it. The word you are look for is social democracy. Brazil has had NO Franklin D Roosevelt, New Deal and Great Society. Brazil has very little to do with "socialism" (you seem to have no clue what it is, socialism means workers owning the means of production) and everything to do with massive corruption.
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Webster definition of Socialism is above. That portion of our economy that is confiscated as taxes or additional debt to provide for the distribution of goods and services is that portion of Socialism that we have.
If you don't have the capacity to understand that then never mind, go back to your weed.
Yes Brazil is corrupt and we are becoming more like them.
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Webster definition of Socialism is above. That portion of our economy that is confiscated as taxes or additional debt to provide for the distribution of goods and services is that portion of Socialism that we have.
If you don't have the capacity to understand that then never mind, go back to your weed.
Yes Brazil is corrupt and we are becoming more like them.
The definition of socialism has been butchered. The original concept of socialism is workers owning the means of production. You are claiming that the US military is a socialist institution and America is a socialist country. Do you hear the military claim such a thing? Its absurd.
America has SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC policies, which was enacted during the great social democratic era from the 1930s until the 1970s. When working stiffs in America actually had a fair shot and unions were strong. The ruling donor class in America eventually got so much power that this policy was abandoned in favor of Reaganomics and a massive class war against the 99%. Countries in Europe like Germany decided to continue and expand the social democratic policies until this day.
You clearly dont know anything about Brazil. They are deeply corrupt plutocracy. A few super rich families have incredible power and wealth in that country and have had it for a long time. It has nothing to do with any socialism whatsoever. If working stiffs in America decide to support puppets of the Koch brothers, of course we are heading for a pure plutocracy as well, rule by wealth. You can try to run for Congress now, and see how many votes you'll get, even if 99% of the people in your district support you, you wont stand a chance against puppets of the moneyed elite.
Going by the GINI Coefficient Brazil is one of the more uneven countries even by Latin American standards. Do explain how it is "socialist" in any shape or form
Considering I live in Britain at least until September, my quality of life is far higher than back in the States. Don't get me wrong, I am an American, I am a southerner...but deluding yourself to thinking that the US is as good as it gets, is wrong. We were the best, had a high quality of life, declining mortality rates...and we just kept telling ourselves that it couldn't ever disappear.
It is disappearing. Or at least the middle class is on the decline. Opportunity is no longer linked to merit. People who cannot afford medical care, are left to suffer or at worst die. Infrastructure is in horrid shape, education is poor, people no longer understand their nation's history, pre-existing conditions and unemployment are pathologised as the fault of those who suffer under those conditions.
but keep telling yourself that this is the pinnacle of human civilization. You might want to travel more and experience what else is occurring in the Western world first though.
Don't know you, but if I thought the same, I'd make all efforts to remain in the U.K. (Immigration, visa, whatever).
People from all nations, dissatisfied with their countries, immigrate. For unclear reasons, Americans prefer constant whining over immigration for political/social/racial reasons. For me, its a mystery.
The definition of socialism has been butchered. The original concept of socialism is workers owning the means of production. You are claiming that the US military is a socialist institution and America is a socialist country. Do you hear the military claim such a thing? Its absurd.
America has SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC policies, which was enacted during the great social democratic era from the 1930s until the 1970s. When working stiffs in America actually had a fair shot and unions were strong. The ruling donor class in America eventually got so much power that this policy was abandoned in favor of Reaganomics and a massive class war against the 99%. Countries in Europe like Germany decided to continue the social democratic policies until this day.
You clearly dont know anything about Brazil. They are deeply corrupt plutocracy. A few super rich families have incredible power and wealth in that country and have had it for a long time. It has nothing to do with any socialism whatsoever. If working stiffs in America decide to support puppets of the Koch brothers, of course we are heading for a pure plutocracy as well, rule by wealth. You can try to run for Congress now, and see how many votes you'll get, even if 99% of the people in your district support you, you wont stand a chance against puppets of the moneyed elite.
The way people confuse Socialism and Oligarchy/Plutocracy is amazing. If the government gives special privileges and becomes one with the giant corporations, is that socialism too?
I got through maybe 3 minutes. That was enough. The socialism of Brazil is not the socialism of Bernie Sanders. The comparison is meaningless.
Bernie Sanders is an idiot. And if those McCarthy era laws are still in place (?), he'd never be allowed to take office, anyway. It would be illegal, because he was once a member of the Socialist Party.
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