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"Friedman said the plan would be funded by maintaining current federal revenues for health care and imposing new, modest tax increases on very high income earners. It would also be funded by a small increase in payroll taxes on employers, who would no longer pay health insurance premiums, and a new, very small tax on stock and bond transactions."
Methinks they protest too much. All these "small" increases would very quickly found to be inadequate. Even Vermont, the socialist paradise, found universal health care to be too expensive. Bait and switch here. they're not telling us like it is and not allowing Americans to have a full debate of the issue with full financial impact.
And "free" healthcare--with no co-pays or deductibles or other limits on utilization?? Good luck with that.
"Friedman said the plan would be funded by maintaining current federal revenues for health care and imposing new, modest tax increases on very high income earners. It would also be funded by a small increase in payroll taxes on employers, who would no longer pay health insurance premiums, and a new, very small tax on stock and bond transactions."
Methinks they protest too much. All these "small" increases would very quickly found to be inadequate. Even Vermont, the socialist paradise, found universal health care to be too expensive. Bait and switch here. they're not telling us like it is and not allowing Americans to have a full debate of the issue with full financial impact.
And "free" healthcare--with no co-pays or deductibles or other limits on utilization?? Good luck with that.
I'm all for EVERYONE paying their fair share. Everyone being the key. Not 1/3 of everyone on some type of free ride.
You are not though. You just claimed you were against wealth redistribution. That means being against taxes.
What you are really against is means testing. Thats what gets you riled up. I am positive you wouldnt have the same attitude if the safety net was not means tested, everyone had a living wage and everyone paid some taxes.
It doesnt add up as much as your $10 000 premium and massive deductibles and co-pays. Thats the point. Its both cheaper than the current system and far more moral.
That effectively eliminates health plan providers. Furthermore it forces all consumers to use either government hospitals or "non-profit", since for-profit hospitals and clinics are effectively outlawed.
So, you believe that corporations must make a profit from health care in order for health care to be effective? Really?
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That effectively makes all medical providers quasi-government employees and all healthcare facilities quasi-government owned. Healthcare provider wages/salaries are now determined by the government.
No, it doesn't. That makes about as much sense as saying that all defense contractors are and have always been quasi-government employees.
Additionally, the bill actually allows for health care workers, health care facilities and health care insurance that covers medical procedures not covered by the bill.
And now, an ad-hominen attack from Mircea....
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In typical Liberal fashion, you just can't raise the HI Payroll Tax to 25.6% to provide Medicare-for-All and be done with it, rather you have to meddle with the hospitals, clinics, healthcare providers and cut-off of all avenues of healthcare making people sit on waiting lists and having healthcare rationed.
Mircea, I used to think that you knew what you were talking about, at least with regard to health care.
After your contributions to this thread...not any more.
Stop deflecting with that old tired overused tax cuts for the rich meme. It doesn't work.
I don't want government involved in my healthcare. I know what's right for me. I want no part of any socialistic system.
As long as taxes have to be hiked to pay for all this "free" stuff, it will never happen.
You dont stand a chance against the insurance companies with no government involvement. They will kick you off health care as soon as you need it and there is nothing you can do about it.
It doesnt add up as much as your $10 000 premium and massive deductibles and co-pays. Thats the point. Its both cheaper than the current system and far more moral.
I paid significantly less before the lie of the century.
Why I never got insurance after the great lie, so I am not paying exorbitant rates. I pay cash for my appointments and I pay way less than those with insurance. My tax credits zeroed out the fine.
ACA will fail, it's a forgone conclusion. Whether someone puts lipstick on this pig of legislation or not means little. It will still fail.
Single payer aficionados will lose when Americans realize the tax hike they would have to absorb for this free stuff. The rich will not pay contrary to the bleating of the left because they will buy enough politicians to preclude them from paying.
You dont stand a chance against the insurance companies with no government involvement. They will kick you off health care as soon as you need it and there is nothing you can do about it.
Government is not the answer. Anything they touch turns to crap.
You are not though. You just claimed you were against wealth redistribution. That means being against taxes.
Being against wealth redistribution does not necessarily imply being against taxes. It depends on the definition of "tax." Unfortunately, there seems to be several definitions floating around these days. One definition of "tax" is fee for services/products rendered by the government: military, police, roads, bridges, etc. That's the one I happen to support. Wealth redistribution, on the other hand, is a punishment for success. That is not the same thing. I'm all for paying for services rendered to me. Tally up the cost of the NECESSITIES such as military, roads, protection, etc, divide it 350 million ways and send the bills out. They would be minuscule compared to current taxes for almost everyone. And for the rest of the nonsense government expenditures and Ponzi schemes, if you want them, you fund them.
SEC. 103. Qualification of participating providers. [LEFT](a) Requirement To be public or non-Profit.— (1) IN GENERAL.—No institution may be a participating provider unless it is a public or not-for-profit institution. Private physicians, private clinics, and private health care providers shall continue to operate as private entities, but are prohibited from being investor owned.[/LEFT]
That effectively out-laws all for-private hospitals or clinics.
SEC. 104. Prohibition against duplicating coverage. [LEFT](a) In general.—It is unlawful for a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act.[/LEFT]
That effectively eliminates health plan providers. Furthermore it forces all consumers to use either government hospitals or "non-profit", since for-profit hospitals and clinics are effectively outlawed.
SEC. 201. Budgeting process. [LEFT](a) Establishment of operating budget and capital expenditures budget.— (1) IN GENERAL.—To carry out this Act there are established on an annual basis consistent with this title—[/LEFT] (A) an operating budget, including amounts for optimal physician, nurse, and other health care professional staffing; (B) a capital expenditures budget; (C) reimbursement levels for providers consistent with subtitle B; and (D) a health professional education budget, including amounts for the continued funding of resident physician training programs.
[LEFT](2) REGIONAL ALLOCATION.—After Congress appropriates amounts for the annual budget for the Medicare For All Program, the Director shall provide the regional offices with an annual funding allotment to cover the costs of each region’s expenditures. Such allotment shall cover global budgets, reimbursements to clinicians, health professional education, and capital expenditures. Regional offices may receive additional funds from the national program at the discretion of the Director.[/LEFT]
That effectively makes all medical providers quasi-government employees and all healthcare facilities quasi-government owned. Healthcare provider wages/salaries are now determined by the government.
"In the past 20 years, our overriding philosophy has been that the health system cannot spend more than its income.
Virtual budgets are also set up at the regional levels; these ensure that all participants in the system—including the health insurance funds and providers— know from the beginning of the year onward how much money can be spent."
Source: How Germany is reining in health care costs: An interview with Franz Knieps
When there's not enough money, healthcare is rationed by being diluted, delayed or denied.
"German doctors are not always able to provide patients with the care they need due to financial constraints, according to medical chiefs in the country."
In typical Liberal fashion, you just can't raise the HI Payroll Tax to 25.6% to provide Medicare-for-All and be done with it, rather you have to meddle with the hospitals, clinics, healthcare providers and cut-off of all avenues of healthcare making people sit on waiting lists and having healthcare rationed.
Your posts have systematically been picked apart and shown to be completely false. Not just by one or two but multiple posters, yet you continue to try and spread false information. I honestly believe you work for an insurance company.
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