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But isnt that true of the students who are walking out as well, did they not earn the same respect ? Do they not see it as an important event that is now ruined because of the speaker ????
As VP , and as the former governor of the state, there is a grey area there, but lets not pretend like one side is more hurt than the other here.
Everyone will still get their diplomas
I'm sorry, I hadn't seen this til now.
College prepares students for life, and life includes learning the art of diplomacy. In real life, everybody has to suck it up on occasion. Walk out of a business meeting in protest and see what happens. Walk out of your kid's classroom on Parent's Night because the teacher has different political leanings than you. See how fast that builds friendships. Diplomacy is what often keeps us from doing really stupid things. It's a vital life skill. Nobody has the right to force anyone to listen to a speech. They are free to get up and leave. That's the beauty of freedom.
But a person exhibiting diplomacy knows that their own personal feelings aren't a primary consideration at a private event with thousands of others in attendance, and that disrupting an event as important as a college graduation in order to express ones' self is just kind of a dick move.
College prepares students for life, and life includes learning the art of diplomacy. In real life, everybody has to suck it up on occasion. Walk out of a business meeting in protest and see what happens. Walk out of your kid's classroom on Parent's Night because the teacher has different political leanings than you. See how fast that builds friendships. Diplomacy is what often keeps us from doing really stupid things. It's a vital life skill. Nobody has the right to force anyone to listen to a speech. They are free to get up and leave. That's the beauty of freedom.
But a person exhibiting diplomacy knows that their own personal feelings aren't a primary consideration at a private event with thousands of others in attendance, and that disrupting an event as important as a college graduation in order to express ones' self is just kind of a dick move.
Reading your post immediately brought this to mind:
With all this Catholicism in your family, it's surprising that you don't hold the words of the Pope in higher esteem.
Oh, well. That's the way it goes.
I grew up in a wealthy community because the other side of my family (the non Catholic side) paid the tab. My parents (mostly just my mother) couldn't afford squat on their own. Catechism, for me, stopped early on because of financial issues. Because of the affluence of the surrounding community, the priest didn't believe them....thought they were just being cheap....and wouldn't let me continue. The non Catholic side of my family accepted that my mother married a Catholic, but they weren't going to go beyond that and pay for Catechism. Whenever my father was around and I did something wrong, he'd say "we haven't given him enough religion", yet he never tried working harder to make that happen. Another one of my Catholic uncles (not the one mentioned in my previous post) worked two jobs to afford a Catholic K-12 education for his three children, and he died after paying for college for the oldest (the others still followed in the footsteps of the oldest). I'm agnostic. I think the concept of organized religion is arrogant....one might be right, and the others wrong, but we can't prove that concretely. If I had completed Catechism, who knows, I might feel differently and 'just believe'. While not being a believer, I do admire the the discipline and respect that are part of that faith, I see those qualities (I believe nurtured by their faith) expressed in the lives of family members, and that discipline and respect is what I was getting at in my post.
Why 'pu**y foot around' so to speak? Why be cryptic? Why not have some guts, and come out and say which words of the Pope you are speaking of, and out of which Pope's mouth they came?
I think the Cardinals made a huge mistake electing the current Pope, but I have to admit.....he doesn't lack guts.
I grew up in a wealthy community because the other side of my family (the non Catholic side) paid the tab. My parents (mostly just my mother) couldn't afford squat on their own. Catechism, for me, stopped early on because of financial issues. Because of the affluence of the surrounding community, the priest didn't believe them....thought they were just being cheap....and wouldn't let me continue. The non Catholic side of my family accepted that my mother married a Catholic, but they weren't going to go beyond that and pay for Catechism. Whenever my father was around and I did something wrong, he'd say "we haven't given him enough religion", yet he never tried working harder to make that happen. Another one of my Catholic uncles (not the one mentioned in my previous post) worked two jobs to afford a Catholic K-12 education for his three children, and he died after paying for college for the oldest (the others still followed in the footsteps of the oldest). I'm agnostic. I think the concept of organized religion is arrogant....one might be right, and the others wrong, but we can't prove that concretely. If I had completed Catechism, who knows, I might feel differently and 'just believe'. While not being a believer, I do admire the the discipline and respect that are part of that faith, I see those qualities (I believe nurtured by their faith) expressed in the lives of family members, and that discipline and respect is what I was getting at in my post.
Why 'pu**y foot around' so to speak? Why be cryptic? Why not have some guts, and come out and say which words of the Pope you are speaking of, and out of which Pope's mouth they came?
I think the Cardinals made a huge mistake electing the current Pope, but I have to admit.....he doesn't lack guts.
^^^^^ After posting the above, I read the link in the OP, etc., and you (GotHereAsQuickAsICould) are obviously talking about Pope Francis, YET neither you nor the article linked to the OP provide any quotes from Pope Francis...any of his words.
If they know they don't want to listen to possible a different view point, why do they show up in the first place?
I am sure the liberal/progressive teaching staff and their liberal/progressive/fascist agenda has something to do with students walking out. If you don't agree with me your free speech means little too me is the new leftist talking point.
But personally I could care less if they walk out...their lost. Just as long as they don't become anarchists and break and burn things on their way to their safe room.
so it is true: parents pay fortunes for their kids to get college degrees and yet no one has taught the kids respect or insisted they grow up. Isn't this just wonderful!!! For those who call this freedom of speech, wouldn't it be better just to not pay any attention than to show rudeness? I sometimes think we use freedom of speech as a cop out.
Exactly. +1
Protest by posting on Facebook, posting on Twitter, posting here, writing letters to the editor of various newspapers, blog about it, or create a podcast. Given the scenario...nothing rude about those choices. Rudely getting up and walking out of a graduation (a graduation isn't a club sponsored political speech, an issue specific conference, etc.) reflects on person walking out, and how they were raised. Some other posts on this thread excuse that disrespect by citing perceived disrespect by Pence or disrespect by Trump perceived to be supported by Pence. IMO, that is 'little kid/but...but...but Joey did it too' logic. IMO, one can only claim the high ground if one is not exhibiting a quality one is criticizing.
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