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Old 06-06-2017, 03:27 PM
 
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There is no such thing as "the real America". You are either in America or you're not. You're either an American or you're not.
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Old 06-06-2017, 03:32 PM
 
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When is the last time you were in rural America. Do you even know what it is.
I went to college in a town of less than 12,000 at the time in northwest Missouri...I basically spent 5 years of my life in rural America and interacting with rural americans. I can tell you right now, rural americans love to claim themselves as "real americans" and pass off their way of life as "American" or "Americana". I'm not just talking out of my backside like some people here. I grew up in mostly black urban areas, went to college in a very white American small town, and now I live in working class suburban area. I haven't just been in one place my entire life. Unlike some who claim to know the inner working of black urban areas that they've never set foot in.
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Old 06-06-2017, 03:42 PM
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Do you deny that the words "rural" and "urban" are often code for white and black?

I see it as more of a code of those who produce useable products as opposed to those who just move and shake and beyond hype aren't worth much of anything. Remove money and they have nothing. And sometimes if the government check doesn't come they won't be eating much or living anywhere.

We live simple lives in the country but usually it will take more than a week to take our lives away.
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Old 06-06-2017, 03:47 PM
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Who needs the media for that, it's called real life experience. Drive 3 hours in any direction from a major city and, well, there you have it.
Have what?
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Old 06-06-2017, 04:12 PM
 
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Do you deny that the words "rural" and "urban" are often code for white and black?
Seriously?! Wow.
Yes, I'll deny that. I have never used either of those words in place of "white" or " black".
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Old 06-06-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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I see it as more of a code of those who produce useable products as opposed to those who just move and shake and beyond hype aren't worth much of anything. Remove money and they have nothing. And sometimes if the government check doesn't come they won't be eating much or living anywhere.

We live simple lives in the country but usually it will take more than a week to take our lives away.
wow- not too condescending at all....

hopefully you never need a part for your car, your phone never goes out, you never need the internet or a computer, you never need to go to any type of store, you never need to borrow money from a bank just to name a few- b/c guess what, without us useless city folk none of that is happening....but keep dreaming that rural American can subsist and thrive on hunting' and bartering....and you call people on the coasts stuck up....
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Old 06-06-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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Fascinating topic! By my reckoning, it stems from the debate between Jefferson and Hamilton, on what sort of country ideally America ought to be. Hamilton favored an urbanized, centralized nation – with a strong central bank and a culture and ethos that look to Europe. Jefferson famously favored the “yeoman farmer”, independent and detached from urban concerns, living in a decentralized nation that eschews European-style organization. The Hamiltonian view was ascendant in the 20th century, from the Progressive movement, to the formation of the Fed, America’s grappling with foreign conflicts and international projection of power, all the way through the late 20th century debates on judicial activism and federal regulation. The Jeffersonian view is broadly speaking the conservative backlash, and today that backlash is particularly ascendant.

In a nutshell, in modern parlance, rural = conservative, and urban = liberal. Just as “liberal” has become tarnished as a pejorative term, so too, “urban” has come to mean either hopelessly impoverished and dependent, or insufferably elitist and effete – and maybe the alliance of the two. “Conservative” has come to mean not so much a political ideology, as a badge of responsibility and prudence – associated with the small-town and the rural.
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Old 06-06-2017, 04:40 PM
 
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Fascinating topic! By my reckoning, it stems from the debate between Jefferson and Hamilton, on what sort of country ideally America ought to be. Hamilton favored an urbanized, centralized nation – with a strong central bank and a culture and ethos that look to Europe. Jefferson famously favored the “yeoman farmer”, independent and detached from urban concerns, living in a decentralized nation that eschews European-style organization. The Hamiltonian view was ascendant in the 20th century, from the Progressive movement, to the formation of the Fed, America’s grappling with foreign conflicts and international projection of power, all the way through the late 20th century debates on judicial activism and federal regulation. The Jeffersonian view is broadly speaking the conservative backlash, and today that backlash is particularly ascendant.

In a nutshell, in modern parlance, rural = conservative, and urban = liberal. Just as “liberal” has become tarnished as a pejorative term, so too, “urban” has come to mean either hopelessly impoverished and dependent, or insufferably elitist and effete – and maybe the alliance of the two. “Conservative” has come to mean not so much a political ideology, as a badge of responsibility and prudence – associated with the small-town and the rural.

think you may be surprised to find that on the coasts those terms are flipped in how they are perceived....
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Old 06-06-2017, 05:07 PM
 
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Who needs the media for that, it's called real life experience. Drive 3 hours in any direction from a major city and, well, there you have it.
Actually I alot of know people about 3 hours away from a major city. The funny thing to you may be is there are people of ALL races that live there. So you are essentially insulting people from all races. Another thing is not one of them are living on government handouts like city dwellers do. Shows you don't have a clue to what you are talking about and just parroting the media.
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Old 06-06-2017, 05:41 PM
 
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I think that is the gist. Not necessarily rural Americans but Americans who work in manufacturing, logging, mining, restaurants, hotels, etc. The unappreciated ones who do the work so everyone can have things and go places.
This sounds like a parent and child relationship, where the parent does all the work so the child may have a great childhood. Why would adults treat each other like this? Why bring value to a place where people just take and bring back no value?
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