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The root cause of anger is ALWAYS a feeling of injustice, false accusation, wanton disregard, and general sensation of getting “dissed”. This transcends party lines and political orientation. But what is particularly afflicting “the right” – not that there’s such a monolithic thing – is a feeling that for the past 50 years, the prevailing cultural tenor has been going in the wrong direction, in a nefarious and unpleasant direction, and that this has happened despite promises from politicians of most (all?) stripes.
America remains culturally, socially and fiscally to the right of Europe; but slowly it is going in a European direction (again, not to insinuate that there’s a monolithic Europe). To some, this is hailed as a timely and desirable trend. To others, it is regrettable and pernicious.
If there is a prevailing trend, that is large and seemingly indomitable, that happens contrary not only to one’s wishes but to what one believes to be common-sense, that is not merely personally unsettling but what one believes to be a betrayal of the compounded wisdom of civilization – and if one’s protests are ignored, or outright denigrated – then of course there will be anger.
Then there’s the economic argument. People of good will and solid work-ethic are nevertheless finding themselves in position inferior to that of their parents. Historically this is unprecedented in America. It is contrary to our narrative of accumulated progress, inexorably going forward. What is the problem? Who is to blame? The point here isn’t to debate that, but to note that if one’s frustrations are going to be relentlessly ignored, eventually one will get angry.
What? a bunch of conservatives that denounced Obamacare are now on board for their personal benefit?
This is the exact same issue that many wealthy Democrats have made an issue about. The tax code treating earned income differently than investment income, such as cap gains. Buffett pointed this out when he said he pays less tax proportionally than his secretary.
Conservatives invariably argue that it is a good thing. NOW, you don't like it because it can be associated with Obamacare? LOL
Well, there's some tortured logic!
Wealthy = Conservative ?
Tax code = Obamacare benefits ?
First of all, Republicans didn't vote for Obamacare and Democrats didn't read it.
That's how we got where we are with money being taken from the working class and transferred through Obamacare to the wealthy.
Let me know when Buffett takes a break from complaining about his low rate of taxation long enough to actually pay the back taxes Berkshire owes.
The root cause of anger is ALWAYS a feeling of injustice, false accusation, wanton disregard, and general sensation of getting “dissed”. This transcends party lines and political orientation. But what is particularly afflicting “the right” – not that there’s such a monolithic thing – is a feeling that for the past 50 years, the prevailing cultural tenor has been going in the wrong direction, in a nefarious and unpleasant direction, and that this has happened despite promises from politicians of most (all?) stripes.
America remains culturally, socially and fiscally to the right of Europe; but slowly it is going in a European direction (again, not to insinuate that there’s a monolithic Europe). To some, this is hailed as a timely and desirable trend. To others, it is regrettable and pernicious.
If there is a prevailing trend, that is large and seemingly indomitable, that happens contrary not only to one’s wishes but to what one believes to be common-sense, that is not merely personally unsettling but what one believes to be a betrayal of the compounded wisdom of civilization – and if one’s protests are ignored, or outright denigrated – then of course there will be anger.
Then there’s the economic argument. People of good will and solid work-ethic are nevertheless finding themselves in position inferior to that of their parents. Historically this is unprecedented in America. It is contrary to our narrative of accumulated progress, inexorably going forward. What is the problem? Who is to blame? The point here isn’t to debate that, but to note that if one’s frustrations are going to be relentlessly ignored, eventually one will get angry.
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In reference to the 50 yrs you speak of... it was 53 yrs ago, that Civil Rights Passed, and those who opposed it and fought against it, are still those who make up the group that claim the nation is going in the wrong direction, because they never wanted it to respect the constitution of supporting equality for all and civil liberties for all.. They resent the programs that were instituted to promote the building of equality in a system that was designed upon inequality and inequity. They can't bring themselves to respect Equality, because they wanted superiority. they detest that any penny of their tax monies goes to help minorities, because they never wanted to see opportunity and equality among the races.
they lie and deny and deflect to avoid facing that truth within themselves. And when any program is instituted they expect it to have an immediate change to something that was set up with every variables to be stumbling blocks or minorities. So they want to throw pennies at something it takes quarters and dollars to fix and promote and uplift.
It's in essence "evil" and not liken to anything that God promotes, yet they want to claim some religion entitlement to do what they did for 100 plus years in the past. They want to Conserve that past, and live in the delusion that they are superior, and then they think money is somehow a thing that makes them better, when it has brought out the worst in them and made them embrace the worst of motivations and intentions, they they want to pretend they are some Utopian Christian, when that is far from the case.
The truths that exist fits with the history of white society denial and especially among the Conservative and Republican supporters. How can anyone claim to be so godly, and think that what they consider of God's principles is only for them. They expect black people and others to mimic them, as if they are some beacon of how life is to be lived. Ultimately, they have some fantasy fictional illusion that America belongs to them.
Martin Luther King spoke of this stuff more than 50 yrs ago, but their bigotry, bias and racism would not allow their ears to hear him. All they could think was to denigrate him, attack him and attack black people who supported the basis and premise of Civil and Civic Equality and they detested any thought of economic equilibrium.
People see it, people have and continue to speak out about it, and the Conservatives keep trying to deny what everyone can see so vividly. It about on par with the mentality and tonality of this current Administration... they think they are living in 1930 or 1950 under some Jim Crow Regime, where they can say and do anything, and they are not to be questioned and not to be challenged. We saw that with the Senate hearing of the belligerence of disregard Sessions showed before the Senate Committee. What they don't understand or care to even try and understand is today... a mass volume of white people are not longer fearful and no longer intimidated by the Jim Crow ideologist an those who think they can do what they did in the past and everyone cower down and submit to it. Thus they try by every means to attack and then lie and pretend as if they are a group of choir members. When America and the world saw their Tea Party Madness the minute they saw a Black Man in the Seat as President, and for 8 yrs, they promoted every kind of vile they could, to the extreme they would chop off their own toes as long as they thought it would help them attack him and hold back any services or benefits from being utilized by black Americans.
There is still a mentality with undertones of racism as they were and displayed in the streets of the 1960's fighting against Civil Rights. because in principle they do not support equality as they pretend to claim, if they did, they would not have such anguish. It's not only a fight against minorities, but of women as well, they think a woman is like property, where they can dictate what she can and cannot do, what she can and cannot be, unless its women from their ranks.
How any group can cling to such madness is insane, when American people have lost lives all over the world, talking about promoting equality and Democracy.... Its the most insane thing in the world, that people can choose to be so mad and crazy chasing some delusion of superiority..... and having such contempt at fair and equitable usage of the benefits and service that the government provides in aim to make a better society.
Our Government has a fair design.. its the madness of people. that create the mess in America.
when you say...
" People of good will and solid work-ethic are nevertheless finding themselves in position inferior to that of their parents. Historically this is unprecedented in America"
Then these people need to blame the system of the very same establishment who orchestrated the exodus of industry and jobs to foreign lands !!!!! and realize that the Equality Table, requires there to be fair and equitable opportunity for all.
As to Trump... he should have just focused on JOBS and On Industry and How to Rebuild it.. not on thing of trying to promote the legislation that aims to push moral management, and religious ideals, and white dominance agenda structures...
He is not helping the situation... Instead of attacking ACA, he should have did nothing more than let companies sell in any state without restrictions, and then promote measures to help put cost caps on what they can charge to the citizen population. Instead, we now have a bigger challenge than ever before.
In reference to the 50 yrs you speak of... it was 53 yrs ago, that Civil Rights Passed, and those who opposed it and fought against it, are still those who make up the group that claim the nation is going in the wrong direction, because they never wanted it to respect the constitution of supporting equality for all and civil liberties for all.. They resent the programs that were instituted to promote the building of equality in a system that was designed upon inequality and inequity. They can't bring themselves to respect Equality, because they wanted superiority. they detest that any penny of their tax monies goes to help minorities, because they never wanted to see opportunity and equality among the races.
they lie and deny and deflect to avoid facing that truth within themselves. And when any program is instituted they expect it to have an immediate change to something that was set up with every variables to be stumbling blocks or minorities. So they want to throw pennies at something it takes quarters and dollars to fix and promote and uplift.
It's in essence "evil" and not liken to anything that God promotes, yet they want to claim some religion entitlement to do what they did for 100 plus years in the past. They want to Conserve that past, and live in the delusion that they are superior, and then they think money is somehow a thing that makes them better, when it has brought out the worst in them and made them embrace the worst of motivations and intentions, they they want to pretend they are some Utopian Christian, when that is far from the case.
The truths that exist fits with the history of white society denial and especially among the Conservative and Republican supporters. How can anyone claim to be so godly, and think that what they consider of God's principles is only for them. They expect black people and others to mimic them, as if they are some beacon of how life is to be lived. Ultimately, they have some fantasy fictional illusion that America belongs to them.
Martin Luther King spoke of this stuff more than 50 yrs ago, but their bigotry, bias and racism would not allow their ears to hear him. All they could think was to denigrate him, attack him and attack black people who supported the basis and premise of Civil and Civic Equality and they detested any thought of economic equilibrium.
People see it, people have and continue to speak out about it, and the Conservatives keep trying to deny what everyone can see so vividly. It about on par with the mentality and tonality of this current Administration... they think they are living in 1930 or 1950 under some Jim Crow Regime, where they can say and do anything, and they are not to be questioned and not to be challenged. We saw that with the Senate hearing of the belligerence of disregard Sessions showed before the Senate Committee. What they don't understand or care to even try and understand is today... a mass volume of white people are not longer fearful and no longer intimidated by the Jim Crow ideologist an those who think they can do what they did in the past and everyone cower down and submit to it. Thus they try by every means to attack and then lie and pretend as if they are a group of choir members. When America and the world saw their Tea Party Madness the minute they saw a Black Man in the Seat as President, and for 8 yrs, they promoted every kind of vile they could, to the extreme they would chop off their own toes as long as they thought it would help them attack him and hold back any services or benefits from being utilized by black Americans.
There is still a mentality with undertones of racism as they were and displayed in the streets of the 1960's fighting against Civil Rights. because in principle they do not support equality as they pretend to claim, if they did, they would not have such anguish. It's not only a fight against minorities, but of women as well, they think a woman is like property, where they can dictate what she can and cannot do, what she can and cannot be, unless its women from their ranks.
How any group can cling to such madness is insane, when American people have lost lives all over the world, talking about promoting equality and Democracy.... Its the most insane thing in the world, that people can choose to be so mad and crazy chasing some delusion of superiority..... and having such contempt at fair and equitable usage of the benefits and service that the government provides in aim to make a better society.
Our Government has a fair design.. its the madness of people. that create the mess in America.
when you say...
" People of good will and solid work-ethic are nevertheless finding themselves in position inferior to that of their parents. Historically this is unprecedented in America"
Then these people need to blame the system of the very same establishment who orchestrated the exodus of industry and jobs to foreign lands !!!!! and realize that the Equality Table, requires there to be fair and equitable opportunity for all.
As to Trump... he should have just focused on JOBS and On Industry and How to Rebuild it.. not on thing of trying to promote the legislation that aims to push moral management, and religious ideals, and white dominance agenda structures...
He is not helping the situation... Instead of attacking ACA, he should have did nothing more than let companies sell in any state without restrictions, and then promote measures to help put cost caps on what they can charge to the citizen population. Instead, we now have a bigger challenge than ever before.
...and what percentage of the people who happen to vote republican fit conveniently into this description of yours?
What is the root issue of why conservatives are so angry? Why the hatred towards the left or anybody who doesn't think Trump is doing a great job? Buzzwords get thrown out like "socialism" or "globalism" or "Godlessness", but I haven't heard specifics. I don't even understand why people hate Obama so much. You can disagree with him politically but things really weren't that bad under Obama in the grand scheme of things.
So what is the root issue that causes you to be so angry about our current society?
Have you listened to AM radio before? All conservative hate, all the time. Read Breitbart before? Watched FOX News?
They are basically programmed to keep America divided.
What is the root issue of why conservatives are so angry? Why the hatred towards the left or anybody who doesn't think Trump is doing a great job? Buzzwords get thrown out like "socialism" or "globalism" or "Godlessness", but I haven't heard specifics. I don't even understand why people hate Obama so much. You can disagree with him politically but things really weren't that bad under Obama in the grand scheme of things.
So what is the root issue that causes you to be so angry about our current society?
Its the nature of the beast,your topic seems to have initiated 8 pages of many angry conservative responses.
...and what percentage of the people who happen to vote republican fit conveniently into this description of yours?
I don't know... also, I don't think any of it is a matter of convenience, it just that the world is of many people with many concepts about life, and some are not as suitable for the constitution nor the claim of this nations Democracy, when the ideology has interest, concerns and aims or motives to disenfranchise other American, regardless of color, race of religion or cultural habits.
What I do know is that not all people of any group think exactly the same. I've also noticed years ago, when the economy does well, racism, bias and bigotry is not so prominent, it rises when the economy is bad.
That tells its own story as well.. of how much economics impact people and how they translate that. The oddity of such is, often times people become better with each other when things are going well economically and within the nation in some sectors.
We all know there are some people who are just hard core racist and they are overt in their demeanor and manner of claiming themselves as such.
When I go out in public areas, when I see poor white people and poor black people, I feel the same compassion for both as being people. When I see older people making their grocery shopping, or in communities that face many challenges I fell bad for them regardless of their ethnicity, skin, political ideals or whatever.
One young man I talk to on a daily basis, he is a strong supporter of Trump, but his conversation is about jobs and opportunity, he does not display any bias, bigotry or racist tonality, he is just a nice guy who has engaging conversation with whom ever is willing to take and be friendly... I know many such people whom are equally the same.
I think in a broad sense, as to general society, white people, whether conservative or liberal or other, what to do well, they want a safe community, they want people to take pride in themselves when they are in public, not abuse the system, be willing to work, and be willing to help others. and take care of the community and the attributes that make the community function well.
Here is a social reality... out of over 400+ yrs on this continent, white people have not been able to make all white people fit into the educated and responsible roles as citizens, and there is a vast segment of white society who has limited educations, limited economics and have high levels of poverty... Yet, in only 53 yrs "some" white people think "all" black people should have attained high levels of % as in being educated, economically functional and not be in poverty. It's an unrealistic expectation.. When white people have not achieved that among white society in 400+ yrs, but they expect black people should have done so in 53 yrs. It's absurd.
White people also don't want to take on any responsibility as if they should "make" other white people step up out of poverty, and despair and addictions, crime and all the things that plague society. Yet, they expect black people to "make" other black people step up out of poverty, despair and addictions, crime and all the things that plague society.
In another 50 yrs, a higher we can look to 80% or better of black will be uplifted, educated, free of addictions an good contribution members of society, because if in only 53 yrs, a greater % has been found themselves to pursue uplift, then it won't be so difficult to meet or exceed the 80% factor in another 50 yrs.
Now, can white people say the same about the white population, If they can, its a good thing, but if they can't then they need to ask themselves, how and why when white people had all accessibility, is still so many white people impoverished, uneducated , addicted, involved in crime and caught in cycles of despair?
Based on % and years if black people had 400 yrs of full accessibility, and full opportunity and equality in options, there would be no impoverished black people today, and if it were, it would be a very small number.
America history has proven there is nothing that black people can do, when it comes to the nature of work and creativity, development and ingenuity, now, what if 400 yrs of black labor had been compensatory, then black people would be as economically prosperous as white people. But when white people had 400+ yrs of free labor, and all they had to do was come up with an idea, and black people built or created it to be reality, then it is logical that white people have all the money. But American never would have achieved the great wealth it did in those 400+ yrs without black labor...
Now if there had been fair play, both and all races in America would today hold relative levels and a varying scale of parallels in wealth holdings; it would not mean that the white man would not have high wealth, but it also means that black man would too have high wealth. America may even be 10 or 100 times MORE prosperous than it became to be, and that would mean 10 -100 time More Stable.
We'd have a civil, civic and social system that would be so far advanced, that we likely can't imagine of great and magnificent or advancement as a society in life, community, state and nation would be like today.
America remains culturally, socially and fiscally to the right of Europe; but slowly it is going in a European direction (again, not to insinuate that there’s a monolithic Europe). To some, this is hailed as a timely and desirable trend. To others, it is regrettable and pernicious.
and look at Europe - it's imploding - culturally, socially and financially. liberals like the idea of socialism but they neglect to consider what happens when you run out of other people's money. Rome fell not because it was overtaken by outside forces - but because it choked itself from within. You want to live like Europeans - move to Europe. thank you and have a nice day.
So the liberals have started shooting and it is conservatives that are angry?
I don't own a gun.
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It is the liberals rioting in the streets and you claim conservatives are angry?
I have never rioted anywhere, for any reason.
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