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Old 06-17-2017, 08:58 PM
 
Location: London
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Again, what is wrong with that???? You want to destroy the corporations? You'd better be willing to live in caves and die at 18.
Who cares, it's still corporate welfare, and welfare is the devil, right?
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Old 06-17-2017, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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How do you go from your first sentence to the second?

What does one have to do with the other?

And how does wanting companies not to profit on the sick make one hate freedom?
I think he meant freedom for those who have the most money to buy off policymakers to make laws that only benefit those who have the most money. Plutocracy=freedom for many warped people.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:30 PM
 
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Very interesting. So in addition to having to deal with dozens of different insurance companies all with their own rules, providers are also forced to deal with hundreds of different companies each with their own set of rules and policies. Jesus Christ.

Employer-based health insurance has to be the dumbest thing ever invented.
The company I work for has thousands of self-funded clients. Many of which are household names. All of which have their own Plan documents/rules.

This is why TPA's often misquote benefits when providers or members call because there are thousands of Plans they administer and they are not all the same.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:30 PM
 
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Of course demand will go up as more people have access to healthcare. What's wrong with that?

Better than having less demand and more people dying as a result because they can't afford healthcare. Of course, our Wall Street profit-based system doesn't care much if you live or die. The priority is to make money not saving lives.
As long as it is not abused there is nothing wrong. But it will cost more in total.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:31 PM
 
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The demand will go up but what about supply?
We will def need more primary care HC providers.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:33 PM
 
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Greater demand causes supply to go up. Economics 101.

But the astronomical cost of medical school doesn't help to expand the supply.
$200,000 average cost to go to medical school in the US vs $50,000 in Canada and Europe.

That is on top of the $100,000 or more you paid for your US undergrad degree.
Not only more docs, but more mid-levels will help meet increased demands.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Have you talked to your parents?

This is crazy. Why does your problem now become my problem? I have nothing to do with you getting sick. Had I caused your illness, I should be liable, but I didn't.
I pay for your kids to attend school even though I had no part in their birth or your decision to have children. I didn't ask you to have them or forbid you from having them. I didn't cause them to be born and yet I pay for their education.

We all subsidize others. We are part of a society.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:38 PM
 
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As part of my compensation when I work, I receive employer sponsored health insurance. My employer pays part of the premium that would otherwise come to me in the form of wages or other benefits, or kept by him to invest as he saw fit, to a for profit insurance company that is publicly traded on Wall Street.

I also pay part of the insurance premium, using my wages that I would otherwise spend, donate or invest elsewhere. My employer must offer this benefit in order to remain competitive in terms of attracting competent employees. It is even mandated to a certain degree, depending on your state and the size of your company.

Now, why should we be forced to buy this product from a for-profit corporation that in turn does business with huge for-profit hospital corporations, and restricts my use of practitioners to their contracted panels?

Can anyone please explain to me why the public option in Obamacare, where my employer could have paid premiums into a Medicare for everyone type system instead of subsidizing some other CEOs multi million dollar salary, was shot down?
We are a union family. They pay 100 percent of our healthcare. Our prescriptions cost $2 for generic and $8 for brand. Join a union, they look out for you.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:54 PM
 
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Again, what's wrong with using their cheap labor? Do you want to pay $6,000 for your iPhone?
Nope. So I won't buy it. When enough people don't buy it they will either not make it or make one that isn't as expensive.
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Old 06-17-2017, 11:03 PM
 
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Have you talked to your parents?

This is crazy. Why does your problem now become my problem? I have nothing to do with you getting sick. Had I caused your illness, I should be liable, but I didn't.


If you get sick and can't afford it, we all pay for it. Honestly, I am glad to do so. Sorry, but I can't believe the selfish attitude and the me, me, me, attitude.
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