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Liberals (in both parties) keep insisting we have to have a government health plan that covers pre-existing conditions. So why haven't we had one all along?
The answer is, because they are fantastically expensive. And the American people don't want to put out that kind of money for a health plan, even if it does cover pre-existing conditions.
Obamacare covered pre-existing conditions. And the premiums for it were sky-high, and getting higher all the time. So most people wound up hating it. Donald Trump was elected in part for promising to repeal it.
So now Democrats are screaming (do they ever stop screaming?) that republicans are trying to take away insurance for pre-existing conditions. And/or, when a plan that does cover them is proposed, the costs wind up being sky-high... again. And people won't want that any more then they wanted Obamacare, once the bills start to arrive.
So long, strident arguments spring up, between one side that is angry that the other side is taking away coverage for pre-existing conditions; while the other side is angry that the first side is trying to force them to buy coverage that is fantastically expensive and nobody wants to pay that much.
Why don't we just present the question in terms that take in both facts, and let the American people decide?
"Do you want a health plan that covers pre-existing conditions, if it costs an extra $600/month?"
Or whatever the increase would be for such a plan. And name the FINAL increase, not the first "slight" increase that would then get raised next year, and then raised some more the following year etc., as Obamacare was?
And then stop blaming the politicians. Blame instead the people who don't want to pay that kind of money, or the people who want to force them to pay it whether they want to or not.
The American way, is to vote on such a thing, and then everybody goes along with the outcome even if they didn't vote that way. Anybody have a problem with that?
If you have cancer and it recurs and you don't have coverage, 600 bucks a months will seem like peanuts.
This is a ridiculous comment. Apparently you've never had a serious illness or you've been fortunate enough to have good coverage. An extra $600 a month might as well be an extra $6,000 a month if you can't afford to pay the premiums.
Anyway, I used to know people who paid 3 times that amount for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
Are you willing to add $600/mo to your current insurance bill?
Well let's see. Pre-Obamacare my insurance was $450 a month / $2,500 deductible. Post Obamacare, my insurance is over $900 a month / $4700 deductible. And I don't get subsidies.
Get the middle man out of healthcare. Insurance companies making a profit off of our sickness and misfortunes is immoral. And their greed for more, more, more is what drives the cost of healthcare ever higher. We don't need them, and healthcare would be much more cost effective without them. I'd rather send what I pay in premiums every year to the federal government as a tax and have Medicaid for all than send it into the pocket of some greedy insurance exec, who is going to do everything he can to make sure I don't get the services I'm paying for.
Liberals (in both parties) keep insisting we have to have a government health plan that covers pre-existing conditions. So why haven't we had one all along?
The answer is, because they are fantastically expensive. And the American people don't want to put out that kind of money for a health plan, even if it does cover pre-existing conditions.
Obamacare covered pre-existing conditions. And the premiums for it were sky-high, and getting higher all the time. So most people wound up hating it. Donald Trump was elected in part for promising to repeal it.
So now Democrats are screaming (do they ever stop screaming?) that republicans are trying to take away insurance for pre-existing conditions. And/or, when a plan that does cover them is proposed, the costs wind up being sky-high... again. And people won't want that any more then they wanted Obamacare, once the bills start to arrive.
So long, strident arguments spring up, between one side that is angry that the other side is taking away coverage for pre-existing conditions; while the other side is angry that the first side is trying to force them to buy coverage that is fantastically expensive and nobody wants to pay that much.
Why don't we just present the question in terms that take in both facts, and let the American people decide?
"Do you want a health plan that covers pre-existing conditions, if it costs an extra $600/month?"
Or whatever the increase would be for such a plan. And name the FINAL increase, not the first "slight" increase that would then get raised next year, and then raised some more the following year etc., as Obamacare was?
And then stop blaming the politicians. Blame instead the people who don't want to pay that kind of money, or the people who want to force them to pay it whether they want to or not.
The American way, is to vote on such a thing, and then everybody goes along with the outcome even if they didn't vote that way. Anybody have a problem with that?
the vast majority of Americans have policies that cover pre-existing conditions. The only thing ACA did is extend that coverage to individual insured.
Simplest way out is to extend single payer to all. Actually saves some money. And we no longer have to deal with any of these problems like pre-existing conditions. And the time may be right as the Republicans find they have no good alternative.
Liberals (in both parties) keep insisting we have to have a government health plan that covers pre-existing conditions. So why haven't we had one all along?
The answer is, because they are fantastically expensive. And the American people don't want to put out that kind of money for a health plan, even if it does cover pre-existing conditions.
I used to sell health insurance. Most group plans cover pre-existing conditions, so it was the individual plans and plans for small business owners that charged the higher premiums. Also, in the past, most people were unable to get coverage for pre-existing conditions. It wasn't a matter of paying a few dollars more, especially if you had a life threatening condition.
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Originally Posted by Roboteer
Obamacare covered pre-existing conditions. And the premiums for it were sky-high, and getting higher all the time. So most people wound up hating it. Donald Trump was elected in part for promising to repeal it.
The reason the premiums increased so much is because we still have a for-profit system.
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Originally Posted by Roboteer
So now Democrats are screaming (do they ever stop screaming?) that republicans are trying to take away insurance for pre-existing conditions.
Not true.
[URL="http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-new-poll-shows-americans-want-to-fix-1488836416-htmlstory.html"]New poll shows Americans want to fix Obamacare, not end it[/URL]
"Fully 68% of Americans want to keep what works and fix the rest, "
along with the outcome even if they didn't vote that way. [/quote]
Well let's see. Pre-Obamacare my insurance was $450 a month / $2,500 deductible. Post Obamacare, my insurance is over $900 a month / $4700 deductible. And I don't get subsidies.
Yeah. Too bad we can't have the healthcare we had before Obama and the Democrats royally effed everything up.
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