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Old 04-20-2017, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by T-310 View Post
If they want to keep that overpriced crap, they can.

The rest of us don't want that garbage and we damned sure don't want others sponging off of us.
I totally agree.

I sure don't want Trump and his family sponging off of us with their extravagant lifestyles, trips and vacations.

Yet they are, and apparently we are stuck paying for it. You think any of us want our tax dollars going to those entitled kids and their kids? I'd much rather be paying for someone to stay alive than for a bunch of self-entitled people to live an upscale lifestyle.

So how about we all get to check off boxes on our tax returns as to where our money goes?

I'm checking off health care. You can check off Maralago, Aspen ski trips for the princess and business trips for the princes.
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:26 PM
 
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I totally agree.

I sure don't want Trump and his family sponging off of us with their extravagant lifestyles, trips and vacations.

Yet they are, and apparently we are stuck paying for it. You think any of us want our tax dollars going to those entitled kids and their kids? I'd much rather be paying for someone to stay alive than for a bunch of self-entitled people to live an upscale lifestyle.

So how about we all get to check off boxes on our tax returns as to where our money goes?

I'm checking off health care. You can check off Maralago, Aspen ski trips for the princess and business trips for the princes.
My tax credits zero out any liability so I essentially pay nothing in taxes. So in that regard Trump can jet off to wherever he wants to go.

But let's get back to healthcare insurance where you tried to diverge from with your usual rant about Trump.

No one should be paying for someone else's health care. Period.

Repeal ACA.
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Life's not fair. It's not supposed to be. And no amount of legislation will change that.

And healthcare is not a right, and especially not a right to be paid for by others. It's a consumer service. I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't have it. I'm just saying that I, as a taxpayer, should not be involved in any way providing your consumer services. If you counter with the worn out argument "but people will die without it", I'll have to ask "Will people who get it live forever?"
BUT IT SHOULD BE!! HC for Profit is a long ago BYGONE thought. America hasn't matured enough to realize patients and CARE isn't a "FOR PROFIT" marketplace!!
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:36 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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BUT IT SHOULD BE!! HC for Profit is a long ago BYGONE thought. America hasn't matured enough to realize patients and CARE isn't a "FOR PROFIT" marketplace!!
The for profit part of it is why we have all the medical advances of the last 60-70 years.

I much prefer the current system than government run health care ala the VA.
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Yeah. Too bad we can't have the healthcare we had before Obama and the Democrats royally effed everything up.
Hm. Before the Affordable Care Act, I had coverage from my employer. When I lost that job in 2013 (thanks to the Republicans in our state legislature who cut, cut, cut funding for social services and the program I worked for lost its funding), I continued the policy through COBRA - $765 a month.

Enter the Affordable Care Act 18 months later: Without a subsidy, a comparable policy was $525 monthly.

So royally effed up!
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:50 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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I have a heart condition, the wife diabetes. We both pushing 60. I get BCBS for 300 a month. 25 a doctor visit, $75 specialist, maximum 15 buck prescriptions.

If you want cheaper insurance...get a job. It is that simple.
No, it isn't. If you get great coverage for $300 a month, then you are very lucky. I used to work for a really great corporation and never paid for health insurance. You post as if you believe your situation is universal and it isn't.

Many people work full time jobs and do not have health insurance. I don't know if you work for a large company, but many small businesses do not offer any benefits. Also, some of the companies that do offer benefits have been hiring employees for years to work only 32 hours so they don't qualify for them.
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:52 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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No they did not have coverage that covered pre existing conditions, if you have a condition that you acquired while you were insured and then switched insurance then that's not considered preexisting as long as you can show proof of continuous coverage that is markedly different than health plans must cover preexisting conditions.
Correct. The problem with pre-existing conditions is that many people abuse it by not having insurance in the first place, then getting insurance only after a issue arises and then starts filing claims. The problem is akin to one getting collision coverage on a car after they've had an accident requiring repairs.
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The for profit part of it is why we have all the medical advances of the last 60-70 years.

I much prefer the current system than government run health care ala the VA.
BBM~~~ Thats a bunch of BS The advances are due to Government fundings for such.. HAS nothing to do with Insurance Companies ( Who bill for their fundings to said Government). Sorry, BUT worked with that system for decades and KNOW full well how it works!! Sure I am now retired... and thankfully in a Country who doesn't hold lower income folks accountable for such. .. WHY? Because medical advancement and procedures SHOULD NOT only apply for those of $$$ possession.

I'm getting rather tired of hearing... To BAD SO SAD.. you were born into poverty or position of inability to pay... I'm good.. I can pay... You losers DIE.. I don't GIVE A FIG!

It sure appears.. ( some) American's really don't care abut their fellow Americans.. unless they are financially solvent!

While You don't represent MOST.. It's saddening that the <Heart> has Gone out of some who have no interest in their fellow American Citizens...

Having said all that... I too know that there is a much larger group of Citizens that DO CARE and have no identification with your views!! Human's are NOT like Animals with "Survival of the Fittest" attitudes. tho think that's your view.

Being born into poverty and Government demands that birth.. yet HOW is that treasured LIFE suppose to survive... Ohhhhh wait.. THAT's their problem... IF not born into wealth or prosperous circumstances.. TOO BAD!! THAT's a VERY SELF CENTRED POV" n my opinion.

The more I read here.. The more I see how Selfish so many are It's rather disheartening given I spent over 45 years giving HC to anybody who needed it. I didn't ask for their financials or require a profit to give such care... It's natural to CARE.. But guess, I;ve been schooled... Doesn't matter for too many.. PROFIT matters.. or LOSE SMH
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:00 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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BBM~~~ Thats a bunch of BS The advances are due to Government fundings for such.. HAS nothing to do with Insurance Companies ( Who bill for their fundings to said Government). Sorry, BUT worked with that system for decades and KNOW full well how it works!! Sure I am now retired... and thankfully in a Country who doesn't hold lower income folks accountable for such. .. WHY? Because medical advancement and procedures SHOULD NOT only apply for those of $$$ possession.

I'm getting rather tired of hearing... To BAD SO SAD.. you were born into poverty or position of inability to pay... I'm good.. I can pay... You losers DIE.. I don't GIVE A FIG!

It sure appears.. ( some) American's really don't care abut their fellow Americans.. unless they are financially solvent!

While You don't represent MOST.. It's saddening that the <Heart> has Gone out of some who have no interest in their fellow American Citizens...

Having said all that... I too know that there is a much larger group of Citizens that DO CARE and have no identification with your views!! Human's are NOT like Animals with "Survival of the Fittest" attitudes. tho think that's your view.

Being born into poverty and Government demands that birth.. yet HOW is that treasured LIFE suppose to survive... Ohhhhh wait.. THAT's their problem... IF not born into wealth or prosperous circumstances.. TOO BAD!! THAT's a VERY SELF CENTRED POV" n my opinion.

The more I read here.. The more I see how Selfish so many are It's rather disheartening given I spent over 45 years giving HC to anybody who needed it. I didn't ask for their financials or require a profit to give such care... It's natural to CARE.. But guess, I;ve been schooled... Doesn't matter for too many.. PROFIT matters.. or LOSE SMH
So now the government has to pay companies to do research to make products that make them profit, which you are against?

You really need to look at medical advances over the last century.


If you believe that government funded healthcare means everyone gets every procedure and medicine they need you are completely out of touch with how socialized medicine truely works. Every country with government financed health care has managed benefit regulations and reduces access to needed treatment to save money.
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Cut out the middle man....no insurance companies.
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