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Old 06-28-2017, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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If you rode horses you would not need an interstate hwy to do so, would you? That would end that monopoly.

A simple concept.
I have no clue what you're talking about. You're not making much sense...even by statist standards.
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Seriously...why can't zombie zealots of the Criminal Thug State have any imagination beyond what they have been told by the State? How about instead of trying to list every possible alternative to the evil institution of State in every case, if you are really curious and do not understand how free people acting freely would solve such "problems", perhaps a good read like Human Action by Mises, or if you need a short read, For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto by Rothbard can give you an idea of how free people act when they are free from the aggression of State.

These people today, you would think that when this country was founded everyone was dying in the streets and there was complete chaos everywhere...Look at even simple tribes that still exist today, many have no wars, have everything that they need, and no one is dictating every aspect of their lives at the end of a spear.
Sounds good. You first. Get a horse. Live in the forest in your tent. Eat only what you raise or kill.
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:03 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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I have no clue what you're talking about. You're not making much sense...even by statist standards.
It appears that it has devolved into simply being contrarian to any reasonable explanations is viewed as a justification for these people to your violence, coercion, and aggression upon their neighbors to impose their will. They believe that they are justified and have a Divine Right to impose their will upon others.

This is why, in the end, in a land of thugs and tyrants, the only real hope for people who believe in human freedom is agorism and countereconomics. When the evil State collapses under its own weight, at least people will have a chance to experience freedom. (if only temporarily until these mental defect thugs and tyrants again start imposing their personal will upon everyone else)
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I have no clue what you're talking about. You're not making much sense...even by statist standards.
Ummm, you were the one who mentioned monopoly of gov't road creation. I offered a simple solution for that.
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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It appears that it has devolved into simply being contrarian to any reasonable explanations is viewed as a justification for these people to your violence, coercion, and aggression upon their neighbors to impose their will. They believe that they are justified and have a Divine Right to impose their will upon others.

This is why, in the end, in a land of thugs and tyrants, the only real hope for people who believe in human freedom is agorism and countereconomics. When the evil State collapses under its own weight, at least people will have a chance to experience freedom. (if only temporarily until these mental defect thugs and tyrants again start imposing their personal will upon everyone else)
Then do something about it. Buy the horse. Or are you all talk and no action?
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:08 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Sounds good. You first. Get a horse. Live in the forest in your tent. Eat only what you raise or kill.
As an interesting side note, the so-called "Uni-Bomber" actually did describe the collectivists pretty well and the negative effects that modern society has had on the human psyche and well-being.

http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf

Not that it is some guiding principle of thought, but it does have more than its fair share of genuine insights
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:08 PM
 
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Agreed-upon resolution councils.

If you want food regulations negotiate them with those you do business with. It's not your job to make sure I don't eat bad meat. I had parents once. It's all well and good when you're a little kid but some of us grow up and have brains of our own.
But you refuse to be specific. Who writes anti-trust legislation. Who writes food, air quality regulations.

"Agreed-upon resolution councils" is not a proper answer.

You want some type of contract for people who live in an area and breathe a certain air? And going to another area, a new contract must be signed? Every time someone eats something we have to take someone's word that the thousands of ingredients used in modern food production wont cause any harm or future cancer 30 years down the road?
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:11 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Then do something about it. Buy the horse. Or are you all talk and no action?
I wouldn't say that I am no action. Did you expect me to be running around gunning down agents of the State? That's not going to happen. Because my philosophy, unlike the philosophy of collectivism, has a sound and consistent foundation. The non-aggression principle. The only foundation of collectivism is that it creates slavery, destroys human freedom, and advocates aggression upon the individual.

But I can peacefully practice counter-economics and speak to others about human freedom
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:11 PM
 
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Seriously...why can't zombie zealots of the Criminal Thug State have any imagination beyond what they have been told by the State? How about instead of trying to list every possible alternative to the evil institution of State in every case, if you are really curious and do not understand how free people acting freely would solve such "problems", perhaps a good read like Human Action by Mises, or if you need a short read, For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto by Rothbard can give you an idea of how free people act when they are free from the aggression of State.

These people today, you would think that when this country was founded everyone was dying in the streets and there was complete chaos everywhere...Look at even simple tribes that still exist today, many have no wars, have everything that they need, and no one is dictating every aspect of their lives at the end of a spear.
Why cant you just answer simple questions about how specifically this would work? Who decides what the traffic laws should be in a system of voluntary taxation? Anti-trust legislation and patent laws are decided by which people? I am curious.
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Old 06-28-2017, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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As an interesting side note, the so-called "Uni-Bomber" actually did describe the collectivists pretty well and the negative effects that modern society has had on the human psyche and well-being.

http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf

Not that it is some guiding principle of thought, but it does have more than its fair share of genuine insights
Except his thing was to kill. Or try to anyway.

Other people do live very simple. For the most part the Amish do. Join them. You might be happier.
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