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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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Get over it!!! If someone wants to serve their country, just let them. I voted for Trump but I definitely oppose this decision of banning people from making career choices because of their gender.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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I don't know why (some) people are outraged about this. There is no civil right to serve in the military. They have standards and not everyone will meet those. I don't understand the argument 'Well they put their lives on the line so let them in.' Again, it's about standards not catering to people's sense of entitlement. A person 300 lbs with one eye and a bum knee may still be just as willing to die for their country, so do we let them in too?

Having people taking hormones, going through major surgery, receiving ongoing counseling, etc. IS a disruption to what should be a smoothly operating unit. Not to mention the burden on taxpayers.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Said what he had to say to get elected.....shall we pull up Hiltery's lies and deceit???....is there enough room to post them??
Sorry, is she POTUS?
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Get over it!!! If someone wants to serve their country, just let them. I voted for Trump but I definitely oppose this decision of banning people from making career choices because of their gender.
disagree

Medical readiness? ever heard of it? Not everything is "discrimination."
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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Gay people are not the same as transgender people. Don't know why they are lumped together


I support gays having rights but think transgenders seem mentally ill
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Virginia
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Get over it!!! If someone wants to serve their country, just let them. I voted for Trump but I definitely oppose this decision of banning people from making career choices because of their gender.
The military is there to defend the country, period. People must meet the standards. Personal career choices take a back seat to national defense.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Interestingly, almost every person who I know to be trans served in the military.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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I don't know why (some) people are outraged about this. There is no civil right to serve in the military. They have standards and not everyone will meet those. I don't understand the argument 'Well they put their lives on the line so let them in.' Again, it's about standards not catering to people's sense of entitlement. A person 300 lbs with one eye and a bum knee may still be just as willing to die for their country, so do we let them in too?

Having people taking hormones, going through major surgery, receiving ongoing counseling, etc. IS a disruption to what should be a smoothly operating unit. Not to mention the burden on taxpayers.
Excellent post.

This isn't about discrimination or hurting feelings. It's about maintaining high standards of admission in order to maintain the autonomy and mental strength required to have a successful military.
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Very small issue, as there are very few transgenders, and very, very few who'd want to join the military. Remember the mission of the military. It is for defense of our country, and mission readiness, and capabilities should be paramount. It should not be a PC, social engineering experiment. Women don't belong in combat either. There I said it. That erodes mission capability.
To be clear, you are saying that if your numbers are smaller, you're less deserving of rights. Because if you aren't saying that, there's no reason not point out that relatively few people are trans.

Look, I'm not stupid. I know what this is. It's a political stunt to get the conservatives to like him. Trump can't possibly care about this, and frankly, I don't think most people do. The ones who do are against it. For me, if you want to serve your country, go for it. Man, woman, or trans. What different does it really make? Obviously, different types of service require different things, and those should be uniform across gender lines (or any other distinction). But if a woman or a trans person can pass those tests, why, aside from partisan crap, would you turn them away?
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Old 07-26-2017, 08:23 AM
 
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To be clear, you are saying that if your numbers are smaller, you're less deserving of rights. Because if you aren't saying that, there's no reason not point out that relatively few people are trans.

Look, I'm not stupid. I know what this is. It's a political stunt to get the conservatives to like him. Trump can't possibly care about this, and frankly, I don't think most people do. The ones who do are against it. For me, if you want to serve your country, go for it. Man, woman, or trans. What different does it really make? Obviously, different types of service require different things, and those should be uniform across gender lines (or any other distinction). But if a woman or a trans person can pass those tests, why, aside from partisan crap, would you turn them away?



Trump spoke with the generals and they agreed it was the best thing to do. It also is costing the army extra money. I know liberals don't care about things like this and feel transgender rights are the ultimate issue affecting the world, but most don't agree
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