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Old 07-04-2017, 10:50 PM
 
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Never even owned a car or truck with an airbag are the recalls fun or just another $$$$$$ upgrade?
The recalls are still free. Lol...for now.

I just had an 8 hour reprogramming job done on my car as a recall (emissions issue), and they gave me a free loaner for the day with a full tank of gas to run around town.

But in the future, who knows.
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Old 07-04-2017, 11:17 PM
 
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Self driving cars will be a lead balloon. Guys will not want to let a machine do their driving for them. Maybe the elderly might but they're not tech friendly so that's a non starter.
I'd buy a sedan if they made one that had a front bench seat.
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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After a prolonged recovery that culminated in two years of record sales, the American auto industry is slowing down, with fewer buyers in dealer showrooms and fewer workers on the factory floor.

Automakers said this week that sales dropped in June for a sixth consecutive month, falling by 3 percent from a year ago, a trend that analysts do not see letting up anytime soon. And as demand falls, there is less work in the nation’s auto-assembly plants — primarily those that build traditional passenger cars.

After Years of Growth, Automakers Are Cutting U.S. Jobs
I sure hope this leads to me getting a deal on the Camaro SS 1LE. So far, inventory is low and none on dealer lots in the PNW where I live.
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:09 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Self driving cars will be a lead balloon. Guys will not want to let a machine do their driving for them. Maybe the elderly might but they're not tech friendly so that's a non starter.
I'd buy a sedan if they made one that had a front bench seat.
I love having a bench seat in my Grand Marquis, it's like a sofa. It's nearly 22 years old but has low miles and runs beautifully. I just had my steering/suspension completely rebuilt with all new parts.
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:18 AM
 
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Buying a car isn't something we do on a yearly schedule. With the depreciation so high on most cars, most people prefer to keep their car a few years after they've paid it off. They can't have banner years every year.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:30 AM
 
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Cash for clunkers plus fewer new cars bought in the Great Recession meant strong residual values. Rather than look at this as a temporary change (which it was, and part of the decline is the natural unwinding of that), carmakers used those numbers to price leases way too low and people who used to buy and hold new cars responded to those great leases by leasing instead. It's now been two lease cycles and all those underpriced and oversold leases which would have been buy-and-holds instead are rolling off and will be for the next few years. That reduces the cost of used cars, which sticks lease financing and car rental companies with nasty losses and will suppress the demand for new cars.

The car industry is in for a bad cycle. May or may not cause contagion in the broader economy. Hopefully not.

Not only are these leased cars great deals, interest rates creeping up, SUVs bought rather than cars, but a lot of people are making efforts not to use cars.

"Walkable urban" is the new development goal where people live close to where they work, buy groceries, get their hair done, ... Restaurants and bars nearby. If public transportation isn't available, they use Uber.

Also, I think there is a general wariness of which way things are going to go and some are hedging their bets and hanging on to their cars as long as they can.

I see no sign that any of these trends are reversing.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:34 AM
 
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Not only are these leased cars great deals, interest rates creeping up, SUVs bought rather than cars, but a lot of people are making efforts not to use cars.

"Walkable urban" is the new development goal where people live close to where they work, buy groceries, get their hair done, ... Restaurants and bars nearby. If public transportation isn't available, they use Uber.

Also, I think there is a general wariness of which way things are going to go and some are hedging their bets and hanging on to their cars as long as they can.

I see no sign that any of these trends are reversing.
The lease deals are good nowadays. Especially on vehicles that retain their value real well.

I'm thinking about leasing my next Tacoma instead of buying it. I can come out way better on the deal even if I go way over my mileage contract.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I drive a ,soon to be 15 year old , Ford Explorer with no intention of replacing it any time soon.

My husband however, prefers a new Subaru every 4-5 years. He probably would be smarter to lease. Instead, he pays cash and will likely buy a new car in the next 12 months.

It's unusual to see a compact in a parking lot in my neck of the woods.
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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Can't Trump make us all buy the Ford Focus which is now 100% made in China?

When is he going to declare them a currency manipulator as promised?

Even today he is "tweeting" about "bad trade deals". When is he going to actually do something other than open his yapper?

Answer: Never.
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:13 AM
 
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Self driving cars will be a lead balloon. Guys will not want to let a machine do their driving for them. Maybe the elderly might but they're not tech friendly so that's a non starter.
I'd buy a sedan if they made one that had a front bench seat.
Ha Ha. Are you still riding your horse?

Let's see - here are some choices.....

1. We keep driving personally:
"Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44."

Traffic remains a nightmare.
As a result, the economics (wasted time, fuel, aggravation), costs us many billions per year.

We continue allowing MANY people who are incapable (seniors, distracted drivers, UI drivers, etc)...

OR

2. We drive self-driving cars:
Deaths and injuries are reduced by approx 90%.

Traffic is eased because PEOPLE cause traffic (accidents, bad timing, etc.) and therefore we all get where we need to be quicker and more efficiently and rested.

Just about anyone (the disabled, seniors, etc.) are able to get where they need to go - safely and efficiently.

We may be able to eliminate or enhance public transportation - as smaller self-driving vehicles can do less important routes, etc.
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Hmmmm......let me think......nah, I think I need to feel throbbing below my butt, so I'll put up with #1 - NOT.
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