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View Poll Results: Did Trump and company collude with an enemy of the USA to win the presidency?
Yes 213 59.83%
No 143 40.17%
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Old 07-12-2017, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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this according to trump jr.

but it doesn't matter if the russian lawyer did or didn't have information. from the emails:

" Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin."

trump's intent to collude with the russian government to get dirt on clinton is absolutely clear. whether he was successful or not in that desire has yet to be seen. as charles krauthammer noted:

“I’d say it’s a hell of a defense to say your collusion was incompetent and that it didn’t work out,”

The effort to prove collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government has proven to be little more than a conspiracy theory desperately in search of evidence. With only “rumors… newspapers stories… (but) not necessarily evidence” inthe recent words of Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein (Calif), the left has tried to take down President Donald Trump and ignore the issues the American people care about.

I'm a fan of Krauthammer, and I still do not see the collusion aspect of this. A person from Russia offered them dirt on Clinton, just as officials of Clinton team members met with Ukrainian officials who had dirt on Trump.



Many Trump critics claimed that the NYT report supported the theory that members of the Trump campaign were somehow involved in the Russian government’s hacking of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee.


But Trump Jr., Kushner and Manafort’s lone meeting with the Russian lawyer pales when compared to the coordination between Clinton allies and Ukrainian government officials who hoped to see Clinton win the 2016 election.
Everybody Is Forgetting That Clinton Allies D | The Daily Caller

If the left continue to open these cans of worms they might find themselves under the microscope as well. There are new calls for investigating the deals she and Obama made with Russia.

It's becoming absurd in reality, and all it's doing is further dividing a country over nothing.

 
Old 07-12-2017, 10:44 PM
 
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I'm a fan of Krauthammer, and I still do not see the collusion aspect of this. A person from Russia offered them dirt on Clinton, .....
rob goldstein ( a brit actually ) contacted trump jr and offered to supply the trump campaign "official documents and information" from "The Crown prosecutor of Russia" for "Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump" ....... and don jr accepted!

that directly shows a desire on don jr's part to collude with the russian government to get dirt on clinton.
 
Old 07-12-2017, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Asia
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Did Trump and company collide with an enemy of the US?
No.

Now, pay attention!

The Treason Clause of the US Constitution applies ONLY to disloyal acts committed in wartime.

The US is not at war with Russia, and thus Russia is NOT an "enemy" of the US.

As Russia is not an "enemy" of the US, Trump did not collide with an "enemy" of the US.

In any event, I have not seen any evidence of collusion with anyone.

Now, you are free to carry on with your ignorant histrionics or maybe you will acknowledge that you have no clue and should research before posting nonsense. Your call!
 
Old 07-12-2017, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Originally Posted by wrecking ball View Post
rob goldstein ( a brit actually ) contacted trump jr and offered to supply the trump campaign "official documents and information" from "The Crown prosecutor of Russia" for "Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump" ....... and don jr accepted!

that directly shows a desire on don jr's part to collude with the russian government to get dirt on clinton.
no he said I LOVE IT!!!

And then he set up the meeting at Trump Tower! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! What a dolt.

All those lies, busted (no BLOWN out of the water)..

Kushner failing to disclose the meeting on his clearance forms just two weeks after the meeting, all big Daddy's BS claiming "NO CONTACTS WITH RUSSIAR".. Hahahaha!

What a group of amateur idiots in the White House. Fools.
 
Old 07-12-2017, 11:10 PM
 
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Kushner failing to disclose the meeting on his clearance forms ......
this marks the 3rd time kushner has had to update his security clearance form for failing to mention meetings with russians. kushner could potentially lose his clearance and be charged with a felony.

when asked today if kushner still held his clearance sarah huckabee sanders deflected and avoided answering the question.
 
Old 07-12-2017, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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But we're discussing the Trumps. You know, the guy who's actually in the White House, and his family??
It does not really matter-if you are ok with Hillary doing it, then you cant really get snippy if Trump is allegedly doing the same..right?
 
Old 07-12-2017, 11:20 PM
 
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I read this idea elsewhere and I thought it was a good point....

If this was all a setup by Clinton and Soros and everyone else to discredit Trump during the election....where was Chris Hanson in it all? By that, I am referring to To Catch a Predator, where undercover cops pretend to be teens and they catch pedophiles...that setup idea.

They don't do it where they lure a pedo in, reveal it's a fake (or the fabled nothingburger that people try to serve in here) and then they go on their merry way. A year later, they reveal this happened.

Nope, right then during the show, the pedo is shown to get caught on TV and talks to Chris (or runs away) and the police take them into custody....follow?

So...why in the blazes would Hillary set this all up to entrap her opponent, but not employ some sort of Gotcha moment before the election? Why would it just come out now, months later? It doesn't really do anything for Hillary...she doesn't get to be prez even if he somehow goes. How does that angle pan out still?
 
Old 07-12-2017, 11:20 PM
 
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It does not really matter-if you are ok with Hillary doing it, then you cant really get snippy if Trump is allegedly doing the same..right?
False equivalency much?
 
Old 07-12-2017, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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No.

Now, pay attention!

The Treason Clause of the US Constitution applies ONLY to disloyal acts committed in wartime.

The US is not at war with Russia, and thus Russia is NOT an "enemy" of the US.

As Russia is not an "enemy" of the US, Trump did not collide with an "enemy" of the US.

In any event, I have not seen any evidence of collusion with anyone.

Now, you are free to carry on with your ignorant histrionics or maybe you will acknowledge that you have no clue and should research before posting nonsense. Your call!
And to add to that, Treason would be against lawful authority..since Trump is the lawful authority of the US government, how can he commit treason against himself?
 
Old 07-12-2017, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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False equivalency much?
Umm..I dont think you understand what that term means..let me give you an example:

to liberals..Hillary outright lying about how Benghazi was because of a youtube video is the same as Trump oedering 2 scoops of ice cream while everyone else got 1
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