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Ohio needs to spend that money on private prisons that can only make a profit if they have at least 95% capacity rates.
The only way out of this is to lock up as many Americans as possible!
Yep... (this is sarcasm)
1 - we can lock as many people up as possible, put whatever is left on welfare... and jump off the cliff... laughing like asylum inmates.
2 - we could stop this insane war on drugs, save $1T ($1,000,000,000,000.00) and use a small fraction of it to treat addicts, create rehab centers to rehab addicts and prevent future addictions... and reap a better economy.
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Honestly law enforcement should not be carrying it. We ask more and more of law enforcement everyday. This should be in the hands of emt's. Medical professionals should be the ones that administer the drug. As much as I feel these users are responsible for their own situation I also understand the need for emergency personnel to save lives even if those lives are in danger directly caused by the person being saved. That being said there should be some legal ramifications of the user.
I agree. And while I won't fight against police departments carrying the antidote, I won't exactly demand that departments stock the thing either.
I can't stand Trump. But our local police complain that most of their work is finding or reviving drug addicts. They say they revive the same ones over and over.
There's got to be something better than letting them take drugs, reviving them with narcon, they go back to drugs, etc. I'm all for helping the poor, disabled, elderly--people who can't help it and didn't choose it. But most drug addicts -not ALL of them- decided to try drugs, knowing they would become addicted.
There needs to be jail or longterm treatment or just somehow keep them away from society. They're expensive to treat, they drag others down with them, they keep the police from doing their job. And there are too many heartbroken families due to drug addicts. What goog does narcon do except keep them alive so they can take more drugs?
The more you bring them back with Narcan, the more reckless they're going to get with their doses. Right now they don't think they're going to die because somebody will come along and "help" them.
You have made some some very good points.
I know some folks will bash me but I don't care: it's the truth.
The more you bring them back with Narcan, the more reckless they're going to get with their doses. Right now they don't think they're going to die because somebody will come along and "help" them.
You have made some some very good points.
I know some folks will bash me but I don't care: it's the truth.
Seems pretty hard-hearted to me. True, nonetheless.
As to the thinking ahead, you may have ran across more overdosing addicts than I ever did, but I don't recall ever running across an addict who thought much at all, much less thought far ahead enough to count on being revived.
Even when they had their wits about them, it wasn't much.
After all, Narcan is not that hard to get. Last I read, it cost under $200 for the nasal spray. With insurance, it's a co-pay. A thinking-ahead addict might keep one around.
A friend with their wits about them wouldn't be bad to have around either, but let's be realistic here.
Ohio cop administers antidote injection with no medical qualifications, the person subsequently dies, doctors and juries doing Monday-morning quarterbacking announce that that was the wrong antidote or was administered the wrong way or something, and the guy's family sues the cop for everything he has (and sues the city, state, etc.) and wins.
How many antidotes will the cops administer after that goes down?
I understand your concern and agree. There's another concern my friend who is an officer (who has had this happen to him) told me about, related to this. After administering Norcan, some of those revived are livid about having their buzz killed, and can become...unhinged, which is also dangerous for the officer. I have no idea what the answer to either of these concerns is.
Honestly law enforcement should not be carrying it. We ask more and more of law enforcement everyday. This should be in the hands of emt's. Medical professionals should be the ones that administer the drug. As much as I feel these users are responsible for their own situation I also understand the need for emergency personnel to save lives even if those lives are in danger directly caused by the person being saved. That being said there should be some legal ramifications of the user.
"Honestly law enforcement should not be carrying it."
BINGO!
We KNOW if a LE "administers" a drug and something goes wrong he WILL be sued along with the police dept and the municipality who made the police and orderd him to do it.
We need to follow the Philippines lead. We waste so many resources on these parasites, ambulances, ER, prisons, police, crime, gibs etc. just put them out of their misery. I don't think ambulances should respond after the first overdose. Buy your own narcan if you want to revived and get your drug buddy to administer it.
To protect and to serve not a big slogan with you, eh?
Everyone likes this until its their kid OD'ing. Then comes the lawsuit.
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