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Old 07-26-2017, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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HC might be 17.8% of our GDP, but if HC insurance premiums alone equaled the same, those not poor or rich would be even farther down the sh**ter.

The poor pay little. The rich are not very material to the problem.

But the middle class lags with wages the last 40 years, and that will not be coming back anytime soon. IMO the middle class needs a break, and a significant HC OOP cost break would be the best right now. More cash in hand, better health and more security.
Completely agree the middle class lags the economy. My point here is if we send 17% of the GNP to the healthcare industry the we have to take that same amount money from personal or corporate income.
If there was a national medical system we would have a personal tax of 17% to pay for it. It has to average out.
And BTW, there are very few countries that actually have single payer, single administration healthcare.
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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Completely agree the middle class lags the economy. My point here is if we send 17% of the GNP to the healthcare industry the we have to take that same amount money from personal or corporate income.
If there was a national medical system we would have a personal tax of 17% to pay for it. It has to average out.
And BTW, there are very few countries that actually have single payer, single administration healthcare.
HC is paid for by some combination of OOP premiums, copays, deductibles, along with taxes. Federal deficit spending can also be used to augment any program if deemed necessary by we the people. And that IMO is the key.
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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HC is paid for by some combination of OOP premiums, copays, deductibles, along with taxes. Federal deficit spending can also be used to augment any program if deemed necessary by we the people. And that IMO is the key.
Yes, that has worked well so far.
"Never put off til tomorrow what you can put off til next year"
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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I wish Senator McCain the best of health and a full recovery from this cancer diagnosis. But would the Republicans change their tune about Obamacare and the failed Trumpcare bid if Senator McCain was not able to get his choice in treatment because of these laws and the proposed changes to the current healthcare law/s?
I hear what you say but I have had health care insurance my entire life and I'm affected in a negative way by Obamacare even though I'm not on the Obamacare plan.

I was kicked off my plan as it was not in compliance with Obamacare according to Florida Blue!

You have to address your post to Obama and not to the Republicans and Obama put us all in this bad position with premiums that we hardly can afford anymore!

Obama = Obamacare = cause of hurting millions of people who once could afford healthcare and now can't afford it anymore...can't keep their doctor and were lied to, regarding a lower premium!
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Old 07-26-2017, 11:41 AM
 
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Yes, that has worked well so far.
"Never put off til tomorrow what you can put off til next year"
The future of our HC depends on it. Barring medical miracles, in 100 years the costs of our HC will be astronomical. HC costs alone will be more money than what exists today. How do we get there without more/new money?
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Old 07-26-2017, 03:24 PM
 
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The future of our HC depends on it. Barring medical miracles, in 100 years the costs of our HC will be astronomical. HC costs alone will be more money than what exists today. How do we get there without more/new money?
"The trouble with socialism (or just printing paper money) is you eventually run out of other people's money"
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Old 07-26-2017, 03:28 PM
 
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"The trouble with socialism (or just printing paper money) is you eventually run out of other people's money"
'Other people' don't have this money. Yet.
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Old 07-26-2017, 03:43 PM
 
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'Other people' don't have this money. Yet.
"Other people" in this case refers to the next generation of taxpayers who will be burdened with insurmountable debt. The scenario you and I have described is a society where all financial resources are spent on healthcare, using money borrowed from . . . who? Shylock? The aliens? The Lannisters? The Iron Bank of Braavos?
"Conflating some threads here"
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Old 07-26-2017, 03:52 PM
 
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"Other people" in this case refers to the next generation of taxpayers who will be burdened with insurmountable debt. The scenario you and I have described is a society where all financial resources are spent on healthcare, using money borrowed from . . . who? Shylock? The aliens? The Lannisters? The Iron Bank of Braavos?
"Conflating some threads here"
We are not burdened by federal debt. We are burdened by taxes, yesterday, now and forever. And many are burdened by personal and business debt. But national debt will never be paid off. We pay no more taxes based on debt, but on our income. Our children and theirs will pay these same due taxes, enjoy the fruits of their productivity, and add to our debt as our nation continues to succeed and grow. Our debt is our money, our national/public utility.

Or we get smarter and change how we create at least some of our money:

https://ellenbrown.com/2017/05/17/if...dit-so-can-we/
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Old 07-26-2017, 04:03 PM
 
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We are not burdened by federal debt.<>Or we get smarter and change how we create at least some of our money:<>
I'm sorry to bail on you, but thread drift has resulted in my death by politics. Fare well.
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