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I never said it is 'illegal'. I said you 'cannot' and it is not parsing the point. There are many things that are legal but for certain reasons you should not or situationally -- cannot -- do them.
You can do it.
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I do not need you to address my point. This is a public forum and in this situation, the readers are more important than the participants. It is their minds that are the targets of my arguments. Your dodging says more about you than about me.
I'm not the one misrepresenting the facts. The first amendment gives the people the right to yell fire in a theater.
You bought tickets to watch a football game, not to watch football players stand at attention. You are still getting what you paid for. And no, you don't own the stadium just because you bought a ticket. If you want to stand and sing along to the National Anthem, that is your choice. Just realize that what you choose to do is not required of others.
Well said, and so simple to understand. You would think more people would.
I'm not the one misrepresenting the facts. The first amendment gives the people the right to yell fire in a theater.
There are consequences to everything we do, which includes what we say.
So while there are no legal consequences to 'yell fire in a theater', the non-legal consequences restrains that right. Basic human decency is one such restraint. YOU can argue in the abstract that is is our right to 'yell fire in a theater', but are YOU willing to demonstrate that right ? Are you a sadist who enjoys the chaos of the situation and the misery of those who are injured in their frightened escape of a false alarm ? If the answer is 'No', then effectively, you cannot yell fire in a theater.
Then neither have I paid to see anyone's political expressions.
Then don't look at the players. If you think the National Anthem is so important, shouldn't you be standing at attention, staring at the flag? It's a song that last less than 2 minutes, surely you can keep your attention on the flag for such a short time.
There are consequences to everything we do, which includes what we say.
So while there are no legal consequences to 'yell fire in a theater', the non-legal consequences restrains that right. Basic human decency is one such restraint. YOU can argue in the abstract that is is our right to 'yell fire in a theater', but are YOU willing to demonstrate that right ? Are you a sadist who enjoys the chaos of the situation and the misery of those who are injured in their frightened escape of a false alarm ? If the answer is 'No', then effectively, you cannot yell fire in a theater.
It would have been easier for you to have simply admitted you were wrong.
Then don't look at the players. If you think the National Anthem is so important, shouldn't you be standing at attention, staring at the flag? It's a song that last less than 2 minutes, surely you can keep your attention on the flag for such a short time.
This is absurd.
The point of a PUBLIC protest is to attract attention to self. Making a 'Letter To The Editor' with your name on the letter is another way. Using your social eminence, like celebrities often do, to express your opinions is another way. All in all, it is about attracting attention to you.
Your argument is contradictory: Am making a pubic protest but I do not want you to look at me.
It would have been easier for you to have simply admitted you were wrong.
If I meant to say it was illegal, I would have used the word 'illegal'.
You cannot refute the argument that it is absolutely reasonable to ask Kaepernick to simply step a few yds outside the stadium to make his protest so you have to resort to this distraction.
Am going to ask again: Who is not allowing you to point out and protest the 'dark side' of America ?
If I meant to say it was illegal, I would have used the word 'illegal'.
You cannot refute the argument that it is absolutely reasonable to ask Kaepernick to simply step a few yds outside the stadium to make his protest so you have to resort to this distraction.
Am going to ask again: Who is not allowing you to point out and protest the 'dark side' of America ?
Millions are demanding that they stop. No, that does not mean they have to nor will they.
This is dishonest on your part. So I will clarify for the readers: MILLIONS ARE DEMANDING THAT THE PLAYERS/PROTESTERS STOP DOING IT INSIDE THE STADIUM.
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No, that does not mean they have to nor will they.
Money talks and for these professional capitalists -- they will stop.
The only professional NFL game I attended was the 1986 exhibition game in Wembley Stadium, UK, with the Bears and Cowboys. I was stationed at RAF Upper Heyford at that time.
The only somewhat 'political' speech we saw was someone, presumably an American, who had a sign that read 'Mike Ditka For President'.
No, if I paid that much for me and my family to a game, political expressions would not be the last thing I want to see, but would be a thing I do not want to see AT ALL.
No one is putting these players/protesters inside remote 'free speech zones'.
In reality, the stadium is a unique zone catering to unique audiences with unique tastes. All we are asking is to keep your political speech to yourself while inside this small area of America for a couple of hrs. Then once you are outside this small zone and into the larger America, speak and we will listen.
Explain why is this unreasonable.
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