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Let me be clear. Obama Hillary are criminals. Trump is far better than both combined. My viewpoint is that I cannot support him due to his savaging good men and women who are transgender who have fought for our country.
Don't mistake my lack of support for the current POTUS as any kind of migration to the Hillary group who is the most corrupt politician and person this country has ever known.
No offense, but let's be honest here - ANYONE who EVER thought that Donald Trump would support LGBT rights in any way, shape or form clearly is not a good judge of character - so pardon me if I don't think too highly of your opinion of Obama or Hillary. ANYONE with ANY amount of common sense could see what Donald Trump was.
No offense, but let's be honest here - ANYONE who EVER thought that Donald Trump would support LGBT rights in any way, shape or form clearly is not a good judge of character - so pardon me if I don't think too highly of your opinion of Obama or Hillary. ANYONE with ANY amount of common sense could see what Donald Trump was.
Ken
NONE taken. let's be honest here. Trump dumped on the LBGT community in more than the tweet about Transgender no longer being allow to serve in the military. His admiistration filed a brief again gay rights in the workplace that gay is not a protected class under the law. They are not a party to the action but filed it anyway. So yes, your viewpoint has been borne out despite his public pronouncements and Ivanka's support of his positions in his own workplace.
My position however, is on simpler terms. He promised one thing and did another to a potentially vulnerable group of people. He deceived them.
Now there are people who would say that he did so to get the votes needed to pass the bill on the military and the real world says that when the chips are down one group wins and another group loses. I get that too.
He may have done it for the noblest of reasons. He may not have given a rats' tail about gays to begin with. But he took their votes and now is throwing them under the bus which is home to the wolves.
It's dirty and mean spirited any way one slices it. So give yourself a pat on the back for being "right".
Have you thought that the "stay" imposed by the military would get the bill passed and later Trump will reverse himself and not follow through on the tweet. It's not law, it's not even a policy.
Let us have hope that people can change and that your certainty about him is wrong.
NONE taken. let's be honest here. Trump dumped on the LBGT community in more than the tweet about Transgender no longer being allow to serve in the military. His admiistration filed a brief again gay rights in the workplace that gay is not a protected class under the law. They are not a party to the action but filed it anyway. So yes, your viewpoint has been borne out despite his public pronouncements and Ivanka's support of his positions in his own workplace.
My position however, is on simpler terms. He promised one thing and did another to a potentially vulnerable group of people. He deceived them.
Now there are people who would say that he did so to get the votes needed to pass the bill on the military and the real world says that when the chips are down one group wins and another group loses. I get that too.
He may have done it for the noblest of reasons. He may not have given a rats' tail about gays to begin with. But he took their votes and now is throwing them under the bus which is home to the wolves.
It's dirty and mean spirited any way one slices it. So give yourself a pat on the back for being "right".
Have you thought that the "stay" imposed by the military would get the bill passed and later Trump will reverse himself and not follow through on the tweet. It's not law, it's not even a policy.
Let us have hope that people can change and that your certainty about him is wrong.
Just a thought.
Trump is MASSIVELY dishonest. He has shown time and time again that what he says (or even promises) means absolutely nothing. He showed that all through the campaign where he lied over and over and over again about virtually everything. He will say anything in order to get his way - and it doesn't matter WHO he's lying to. SOME Trump voters are only now starting to figure that out (while others have still not done so) but it was quite frankly OBVIOUS to anyone (or should have been anyway) that you can believe absolutely nothing that Trump says - NOTHING. He is only out for himself, as we see nearly every day as he throws some supporter or staff member under the bus. He takes no responsibility for anything and credit for everything. He is an absolutely TERRIBLE person in virtually every regard. American voters have put a monster in the White House.
See post 69. There's no reason to ban transgenders when you can just have the military refuse to cover their transition/maintenance costs.
Who are you kidding? The first time a transgender male/female was denied surgery there would be a hue and cry about discrimination. Better just to avoid the whole mess to begin with.
Trump is MASSIVELY dishonest. He has shown time and time again that what he says (or even promises) means absolutely nothing. He showed that all through the campaign where he lied over and over and over again about virtually everything. He will say anything in order to get his way - and it doesn't matter WHO he's lying to. SOME Trump voters are only now starting to figure that out (while others have still not done so) but it was quite frankly OBVIOUS to anyone (or should have been anyway) that you can believe absolutely nothing that Trump says - NOTHING. He is only out for himself, as we see nearly every day as he throws some supporter or staff member under the bus. He takes no responsibility for anything and credit for everything. He is an absolutely TERRIBLE person in virtually every regard. American voters have put a monster in the White House.
Ken
And this my friends is the democratic platform for 2018. Now Princess Dirty HC ALWAYS tells the truth.
Those are health conditions. Sexual/Gender orientation doesn't affect ones health.
I honestly can't tell from your posts whether you're just extremely naïve or a troll?
Most Trumplings are both naive and trolls. They bought into Trump's obvious lies while ignoring decades of performance data about the man that proved he is nothing but a lying slimebag who has built a career on white-collar crime while exploiting everyone around him. They are also trolls since many of them voted for him out of sheer hatred for "liberals" and with the hope "he makes the liberals suffer!" Again, a casual student of history - or somebody with a pulse - can tell you that electing people with the hope that they hurt people you don't like is horribly stupid and the path to power for most tyrants in history.
Trumplings are also too dim-witted to understand that sociopaths don't draw clean boundaries between their friends and foes - everyone is simply a tool to be used and discarded. So, the hope that Trump would only hurt those "evil brown people and gays" is stupid since he'll eventually get around to hurting everyone if it suits him. His proposed massive cuts to Medicare - gutting healthcare for the elderly dolts who supported him because they still think they are voting for Reagan every time they vote Republican - is just the latest example of Trump's out of control malice and classic sociopath behavior.
As for gays, transgenders, or whoever in the military, this is just a pure spite move by Trump and his bigoted stooges, nothing more. There is literally no reason for this proposal except raw hatred and appealing to his white-sheet wearing base. If this goes through, I'd be surprised if within a year we don't see a proposal from Trump to require soldiers to be Christians as well - because we all know mixing religion and the military works out soooo great based on history and what's currently going on over in the Middle East. And the Trumplings will all bobble their heads in mindless agreement. Who would Jesus shoot?
Cognitive dissonance is also a mental disorder, one that is clearly in play among Trump supporters. So, what does that make them?
One can scientifically prove that a transgender person has parts of their brain wired differently in a fashion that matches the opposite gender. Is this a disorder? It could be considered one, yes, but that doesn't make it "wrong" or a "moral failing" or "a sin against God" or whatever other lunacy the far-right is claiming this week. The key thing is that disorder or not, they can still perform all of the duties of any "normal" person, so why ban them? Why hate them?
If we're going to go with the argument that all forms of LGBT are "disorders," isn't it wrong and disgusting to hate those people for it? Right-wingers can't have it both ways. First, they wanted to pretend being LGBT was "an evil choice made to offend God." That didn't work out, so now they want to go with "Uh, there are brain difference, so that makes it a sickness." Again, not accurate, but here's the question - why aren't right-wingers spewing hatred against the blind, the deaf, and the lame? I mean, sure - Trump mocks disabled reporters because he's a tool - but that mindset isn't (yet) common on the far-right.
If being LGBT is a disorder, than people with that disorder should be protected just as you can't fire people for being blind or deaf unless it actually prevents them from doing their job. And since sexual preference is not relevant for any job out there, except maybe the world's "oldest profession," their preferences are none of your damn business.
And this my friends is the democratic platform for 2018. Now Princess Dirty HC ALWAYS tells the truth.
ALL people running for office lie to some degree or another. The difference between Trump and ANY other politician is that Trump seems to lie just for the heck of it (and about nearly everything) - often about very petty or unimportant stuff that there is NO logical reason to lie about. It's almost as if it's pathological. There has been no parallel in modern political history - not even with Richard Nixon. In the end, these constant lies, his unwillingness to ever accept responsibility for any failure, and his willingness to throw anyone or any principle under the bus is going to isolate him from from his allies and supporters in Congress and he's going to find himself powerless to do much of anything. After all, WHO in their right mind will go out on a limb for him when he so willingly, thoughtlessly, and easily turns on ANYONE for ANY REASON. He expects total loyalty and obedience but has no loyalty in return. That's gonna get old pretty quick with everyone around him.
Ken
Last edited by LordBalfor; 07-29-2017 at 09:41 AM..
What about the rights of diabetics and the rights of people with asthma? They can't serve in the military either.
Here we go, deflecting once again with, this time with something that isn't even close to applicable. Works for Putin and Trump, guess it's the new alt right debate tool.
Got to agree with the many of the posts about Trump's veracity. He is nothing but a cheerleader, for himself. Eventually, however, even the cheerleaders can begin to see when they are losing. I'm hoping that most devout Trump supports will come to see and understand that he is nothing but a hollow windbag with no principles or fundamental human values and the direction he is taking the country serves no one but himself.
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