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I am of Scots-Irish and English descent. However, I lived in New Orleans for a period. The French kidnapped people and dumped them into Louisiana; these were often children with no parents. It was a ploy to get the population up by any means in order to lure investment in Louisiana. Scores of people died in the 18th century (this was before the Proclamation of 1763 when Spain took control of Louisiana)
"Indenture" indicates some kind of agreement between servant and master that isn't present in a slave master situation. The agreement was usually for a set amount of time, and when the indenture was over, the servant was free to go on his way. Not so a slave.
Or it could have been an agreement between whoever had authority for the "servant" at the time. The current master, a parent or guardian. Indentured servants were less expensive than actual slaves and were only the "property" of the master for a fixed time. As such they were less valued and often treated worse than slaves, who represented a much greater investment for the master.
Or it could have been an agreement between whoever had authority for the "servant" at the time. The current master, a parent or guardian. Indentured servants were less expensive than actual slaves and were only the "property" of the master for a fixed time. As such they were less valued and often treated worse than slaves, who represented a much greater investment for the master.
Because it happened--does not mean it was the norm.
Also, your valuations are off..while there was a large capital investment in the initial purchase of some slaves--subsequent generations were free.
I wonder..why the focus seems to be on the Caribbean..and not as indentured servitude was practiced in New England..for example.
***Also, I asked a question early in this thread....Why does this matter so..here at CD? This topic comes up regularly, it seems. What's the hook for many of the posters here?
It's not a load of nonsense. We're not talking about 19th century history. But 18th. Sheesh, we studied indentured servitude servitude in detail starting in the 4th grade as part of US history. It was a brutal, unyeilding, and just as nasty an institution as 18th century Black slavery. A favorite method of punishment for defiant indentured servant was a eating with a knotted plow line or hemp rope rather than a whip. Very rarely did the indentured servant actual pay his debt and become free. Something was always added to the debt and the terms so they lived their lives as slaves.
This institution existed side by side with Black slavery until the Revolution. I remember watching many an after school special on TV dealing with the subject. We didn't get watered down history in school as it is now. These slaves were British, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, Scottish, not just Irish at all. But nobody talks about it any more. Schools teach that slavery only existed in America as a Black bondage institution. And that is far from reality.
It's not a load of nonsense. We're not talking about 19th century history. But 18th. Sheesh, we studied indentured servitude servitude in detail starting in the 4th grade as part of US history. It was a brutal, unyeilding, and just as nasty an institution as 18th century Black slavery. A favorite method of punishment for defiant indentured servant was a eating with a knotted plow line or hemp rope rather than a whip. Very rarely did the indentured servant actual pay his debt and become free. Something was always added to the debt and the terms so they lived their lives as slaves.
This institution existed side by side with Black slavery until the Revolution. I remember watching many an after school special on TV dealing with the subject. We didn't get watered down history in school as it is now. These slaves were British, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, Scottish, not just Irish at all. But nobody talks about it any more. Schools teach that slavery only existed in America as a Black bondage institution. And that is far from reality.
But there's more to history that you're not mentioning.
these people you mention eventually became tied to the planter class of the south. And no they did face the same fate as enslaved blacks did.
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It's not a load of nonsense. We're not talking about 19th century history. But 18th. Sheesh, we studied indentured servitude servitude in detail starting in the 4th grade as part of US history. It was a brutal, unyeilding, and just as nasty an institution as 18th century Black slavery. A favorite method of punishment for defiant indentured servant was a eating with a knotted plow line or hemp rope rather than a whip. Very rarely did the indentured servant actual pay his debt and become free. Something was always added to the debt and the terms so they lived their lives as slaves.
This institution existed side by side with Black slavery until the Revolution. I remember watching many an after school special on TV dealing with the subject. We didn't get watered down history in school as it is now. These slaves were British, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, Scottish, not just Irish at all. But nobody talks about it any more. Schools teach that slavery only existed in America as a Black bondage institution. And that is far from reality.
It was no worse than what was going on during industrialisation with infant mortality, disease, poverty, hunger and industrial accidents meaning life expectancy was short. Children worked down coal mines, in cotton mills, swept chimneys and did all kinds of dangerous work. The average life expectancy in Liverpoo IN 1860 was 25 years old BY 1890 it had however improved and had reached 30 years old, so thats somethng to celebrate.
As for the forgotten slaves, if it was anyone it was the Child Slaves of Victorian Times who worked 16 hour days, were beaten, starved, lived in poverty and were regularly killed in industrial accidents or due to disease or malnutrition.
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Actually Karl Marx and Freidreich Engels used to meet at Chetham's Library in Manchester very close to the slums, Engels famously published his work 'The Condition of the Working Class in England' in 1845, whilst Marx went on to publish Das Kapital. Charles Dickens, also wrote extensively of the squalor, poverty and cruelty of the period in much of his extensive works, whilst George Orwell also later wrote extensively on the same subjects in the 20th century, in books such as 'The Road to Wigan Pier' and 'Down and Out in Paris and London', as well as essays such as' How the Poor Die' Chetham's Library | Karl Marx's Desk
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y'all have really butchered this thread, by the way. Ireland / Irish people are not really what the original article was talking about in the first place.
The indentured servants in that time period were mostly English, Welsh, and Scottish protestants.
Schools teach that slavery only existed in America as a Black bondage institution. And that is far from reality.
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I remember watching many an after school special on TV dealing with the subject. We didn't get watered down history in school as it is now.
Slavery as it was practiced in the U.S. was intergenerational, based on skin color and the "one drop rule." Not only were you a slave, but your kids were slaves and their kids were slaves. You were literally property.
None of that applied to whites.
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