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Old 08-02-2017, 07:18 AM
 
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First of all POTUS despite that exalted office do not "direct" nor control Congress. That is the beauty of our governmental system. Each branch has their own powers and authority.....


Yes, it does often happen that a POTUS will get quite a lot out of Congress (especially when his party controls one or both houses), but that does not always follow.


Congress and POTUS paths have been diverging more and more over the past decades once the former was term limited by amendment to USC. Simply put senators and representatives can (and often do) remain in office over several presidential administrations.


In the House especially thanks to tightly gerrymandered districts you are getting less and less members willing to vote against their district and or own best (political) interests.
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Old 08-02-2017, 07:45 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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I've said it before, as soon as Dear Leader begins to threaten their grip on power, they will turn on him like rabid badgers. His lack of impulse control, his revolving door government, our dropping standing in the world is already making them itchy. Get the popcorn, it will be fun.
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Old 08-02-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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It is important also to remember the main stream/hard core part of the GOP party wanted nothing to do with DT. That he won the election was a surprise to us all including the so called "leaders" of the RNC. So they took the "win" anyway they could get it at first. But now seeing how things are playing out on the ground, some are having second thoughts.


Still being as all this may it truly is only early days, though it seems like forever. If things turn around and more importantly if His Orangeness can hold onto the base that put him into office, bulk of the GOP will either have to come around, or plot some sort of "night of the long knives" to get rid of the guy.


Have said it before and am doing so again, the 2018 mid-term elections will largely tell the tale. If GOP loses seats in House and worse in Senate, then we shall see what republicans do in response.


In his favor however DT does have the fact he DGAF about either political party really; the only person His Orangeness cares about his himself and to some extent the Trump family/brand name. DT likely will have no qualms getting together with Democrats if that is what it takes.


Remember DT wants above all things to remain POTUS and be re-elected. Have a very strong hunch the means towards that end are constantly in flux and very fluid.
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Dissension and disfunction are good so long as it results in a lack of govt productivity.
Be careful what you wish for. If the government truly grinds to a halt, eventually it will hurt something you care about or from which you benefit. This is true of all of us.
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Be careful what you wish for. If the government truly grinds to a halt, eventually it will hurt something you care about or from which you benefit. This is true of all of us.

Our legislature (not administrative government) was designed to operate mostly in gridlock. We really don't need more laws!
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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The source says it all: Washington Compost.
The statements quoted in the article were made by GOP congressmen in public.

But keep telling yourself everything is fine and that thing that looks like an iceberg up ahead must be a funny reflection on the water.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I wouldn't say increasingly, they've always been at odds and only got in bed briefly for the sake of winning the elections.


Let's face it, the Senate is the very definition of the entrenched establishment and Trump certainly is not part of that club and I hope he never will be.
Not much he can do about the composistion of the Senate or House. It's his job to figure out how to work with them because many will remain in Congress long after he's gone.

Trump campaigned on the promise to " replace Obama are with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the government will pay for it".

His campaign had no plan. More importantly, his Admin has no plan. Trump and Admin don't seem to care what gets passed or how that compares to his promises. Trump wants to declare a win and move on.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Our legislature (not administrative government) was designed to operate mostly in gridlock. We really don't need more laws!
Who said anything about more laws? I'm talking about the day to day functioning of the government.
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Trump, GOP Congress, Increasingly at Odds

No kiddin'...

I think what we need to watch for is the "silent" senators and congressmen who didn't campaign for tRump but who didn't publicly oppose him. When they begin to publicly criticize him, he may be taking on more water that he can remain afloat with.

It's certainly no big deal that guys like McCain, Graham, Sasse and Flake are coming out strong right now. None of them ever supported tRump in the first place.
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Old 08-09-2017, 01:23 PM
 
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It is no surprise. Indeed, several of us noted, a few months ago, that he threw all House Republicans 'under the bus' when he called their healthcare bill 'mean' (this after celebrating said bill by throwing a Rose Garden party, and calling said bill, which he obviously never read, 'well crafted'). It was noted that President Donald JOHN Trump had given Democrats a fine campaign theme in the November 2018 elections:


"Republican candidate +++ voted for the House bill to overturn Obamacare, which even President Donald Trump called 'mean'. Vote for Democrat ====".


Mr. Trump will give the Democratic party more cannon fodder as time goes by. Of course, the Democrats will probably screw up the election by having everyone 'run against Trump', which may not work in many districts, instead of running on ideas.


I am quoting myself from August 2nd.


Today, President Trump, via Twitter, has attacked Senator McConnell:


"Senator Mitch McConnell said I had "excessive expectations," but I don't think so. After 7 years of hearing Repeal & Replace, why not done?"


Legitimate question, to be sure. However, normally, a President does not attack the Senate Majority Leader, if said leader is of the same political party.


Hopefully, Mr. Trump will let it drop. However, history suggests otherwise.
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