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Old 08-06-2017, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Law enforcement is a function of the government. Health care is not.

"Pitch in" should be voluntary. I am all for a voluntary "pitch in" system, and all those who have pitched in receive benefits. If they so inclined, they can extend the benefits to others who haven't pitched in. No problem at all - I would even personally pitch in voluntarily.

If you want to force people to "pitch in" at gunpoint, I'd suggest everybody should pay the same amount. Why should millions pay nothing and enjoy virtually all the benefit while others have to work and pay? In which way that is moral, just and fair?
If you made everyone "pay the same amount" then 50% of this country would have to pay every single dollar they make. Don't be dense
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Socialism and the capitalism practiced in the United States are both bad.
I understand that a lot of young Americans, and some old ones, agree with you. But a lot of us who have lived overseas under socialism cannot. You have to live under a communist/socialist system to understand what I am trying to tell you, and that's not possible if you have lived in the US since childhood.
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:24 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I understand that a lot of young Americans, and some old ones, agree with you. But a lot of us who have lived overseas under socialism cannot. You have to live under a communist/socialist system to understand what I am trying to tell you, and that's not possible if you have lived in the US since childhood.
Where did you live? There have been very few socialist countries to begin with. And frankly, most of them were not bad because of socialism, but because they had oppressive, aggressive regimes, which lead to isolation.
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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US tax brackets.

Compare to each category. Why should people who earn more money pay more in percentage and amount?

You'd say it's the law. Isn't that you voted to divvy up other people's properties?
I didn't know that money equaled property
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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If you made everyone "pay the same amount" then 50% of this country would have to pay every single dollar they make. Don't be dense
Not if the rate is at 0%.
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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I didn't know that money equaled property


OK, I'll just buy a house. I don't need to pay taxes anymore, right?
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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I didn't know that money equaled property
Yes, money is a form of PERSONAL property.
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Gee, how is that relevant to the discussion where? I am also a Canadian. I know all about Canada.

Again, how is it acceptable to force some people to pay more taxes than others? How is that moral, just and fair?
Because the people who earn less don't have the ability to pay more 😒
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Where did you live? There have been very few socialist countries to begin with. And frankly, most of them were not bad because of socialism, but because they had oppressive, aggressive regimes, which lead to isolation.
If you read the history of Cuba and Fidel speeches, you will realize that it is a socialist-communist regime. There may be a few differences from a totally socialist society and communist one, but are in fact interchangeable ideas.
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:33 PM
 
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Well, when you earned a certain sum while residing in that country, their tax and other laws apply to you. So if you don't pay what is due, you are effectively stealing from the country.

You might not see it that way, but the purpose of society and government is not to enable you to pile up as much money as possible. Your mere existence only makes sense within the framework of society.
I never said not comply to the law.

I merely said the income tax law is nothing but forcing some people to give up their property to pay for others, aka income redistribution, which is immoral, unjust and unfair.
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