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Old 08-13-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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I rarely comment on posts without reading the article or watching the video, but in this case, I don't have to.

I dislike Trump because he is a hateful, petty man who treats people, even those who have helped him, badly. He has ushered in a new low, in terms of civil discourse in this country, resorting to name-calling and chants of silly catch-phrases and condemning simple good manners as absurd examples of "political correctness."

I did not agree with either of the Bushes, but I did not fear them, I did not hate them. I thought many of their policies were misguided, but I never felt that they would treat me poorly or revile me for disagreeing with them. I feel that with Trump, very strongly. As far as dismantling what Obama has done, it's pretty normal for each party to pursue its own agenda. The thing is, with Trump, it seems very personal, like a vendetta against the man himself. He seems to want to not only defeat, but destroy, anyone who opposes him, even members of his own party.

I might even have agreed with some of Trump's positions on things like trade, had he not presented himself so horribly that my gut churns every time I hear him speak.

I am a liberal. I supported Bernie Sanders in the primary. I supported Hillary Clinton in the general. I would have been sorry to see either of them lose. But I would not feel as I do about ANY of the other Republicans who had run, except perhaps for Cruz, who I believe is a religious fanatic, or Huckabee, who is a less polished (but probably kinder) religious fanatic. Had any of the others won, I would have felt disappointment, perhaps deep disappointment, but not terror and revulsion.

Sometimes it really is about character.
And before you start in about the Clintons, who I know are no angels, let's give Mr. Trump and his family a couple decades of intense scrutiny and see what floats to the surface.
I don't have 'a dog in the hunt', so to speak (I'm agnostic, and not a Republican nor a Trump supporter). Given what I bolded above, do you think being a very devout follower of one's faith means that that person is lacking in character?

Terror and revulsion are pretty strong words. What, specifically, among Cruz's views and Huckabee's views do you think stirs such a strong reaction within you?
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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keep your doctor, keep your insurance ....biggest lie ever told to the America people.
I have my same doc - and insurance - and access to the best medical care in the country...and even reasonable rates. You see, I live in MA.

Obama certainly could not have known that the GOP Governors of a lot of states would work as hard as possible to make sure their own citizens could not get reasonable health care. Who would have thought? Yet those same rubes will once again vote in people who work against their interests.

State with #1 health care in the USA = MA.
Simple...for anyone with 1/2 a brain.

Hey, Obama didn't cause that car accident last week either. And it's not raining on your picnic due to Obama. And Obama didn't make you sad today.

Of course, I can imagine that a smart and successful black dude makes a LOT of white men sad. But not much can be done about that except more education for future generations.
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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Ok, so I watched the talk. I stopped when we got to the questions because at that point, I'd heard his argument 7 or 8 times and wasn't optimistic that I'd hear something new or related to the topic... which, by the way, it hardly does. He mentions Trump once in the whole talk.

But I've heard the 'Democrats are Communists' argument before. It wasn't true that last time I heard it, and it's still not true. He says "Bernie is the Democratic party." That's nonsense. The "corrupt Clinton cop-out" is lazy and he seems to believe Donna Brazile somehow helped Hillary win an election, which is idiotic. He thinks Obama is a communist, and the main argument he has in favor of that is that Obama lies and the left lies, so...

Which, again, is stupid.

Since we're on Donald Trump, what does this "intellectual" really think of him? If the issue with Obama and the left was that they lie and think they're redeeming the world, you can't defend Trump. Period. Trump lies. Trump believes he's saving the country. It's the same thing, except Trump supports policies that this guy likes a bit more, so he ****s his principles to hell and decides that Trump is ok.

You know what I don't like Trump? Because his followers think criticizing him is unAmerican, his followers believe he and his vision alone to be the savior of this country (dictatorship; that's what that is), Trump himself is unwilling to admit to flaw and is frankly just not a good person.
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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I don't have 'a dog in the hunt', so to speak (I'm agnostic, and not a Republican nor a Trump supporter). Given what I bolded above, do you think being a very devout follower of one's faith means that that person is lacking in character?

Terror and revulsion are pretty strong words. What, specifically, among Cruz's views and Huckabee's views do you think stirs such a strong reaction within you?
Probably their amazing ability to be so hypocritical. That's always a scary tendency because it effectively means you want things for yourself but you want the handouts to stop once you and your family and friends enrich themselves.

Cruz stands for nothing....Huckabee is a JOKE who finally figured out a way to cash in a little (his daughter). But both suffer from perhaps the most dangerous tendencies to confront any free people. Instead of my own words, I'll just quote Thomas Jefferson on this one.

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."

I think you get the idea. I'm with Jefferson. Both of the subjects mentioned above seek to insert fake and false ideas into the body politic under the guise of the priesthood. There is NOTHING....nothing...more hostile to liberty.
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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When did he ever publicly insult a republican. That man is the epitome of class and good conscience. Do not slander such a man. Use facts, not just baloney. 8 years worth of examples please!
Surely you're kidding.
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: The 719
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I've "destroyed [my] credibility?" You do know Obama was raised by communists, do you not? I guess you don't You need to do some research then, because this is not even arguable.



You don't even understand your own Party's political philosophy ...the "Progressive" philosophy? You're just a blind follower then. Do you not understand what Obama meant when he said, "We are just five days away from 'fundamentally transforming' the United States of America?"



How did you come to conclude that we "seem to support the KKK?" Based on what? What "fake news" story are you using to justify such an absurd statement?
They just deflect and project.

Here, another dreaxed history lesson...


Who started the Republican Party? Abraham Lincoln. The Democratic Party? In 1820, Andrew Jackson.

Jackson screwed over the Native Americans for the Democrats’ vote – Indian Removal Bill.

National Republican Senator Frelinghuysen opposed taking Indian land by violence. National Republican Congressman Davy Crockett also opposed this.

Democrats passed it, Jackson signed it into law.

Alexis de Tocqueville, the French observer of Early American History describes the air of destruction of most celebrated and ancient American Peoples a “Trail of Tears.”

Besides stealing land of the Indians, Democrats also embraced slavery on plantations.
Jackson owned hundreds of slaves. He had Betty receive 50 lashes for washing neighbors’ clothes without his permission.
Jackson, in 1804, ran an add for the return of a runaway slave, offering $50.00 for the return, and $10.00 for each 100 lashings, up to 300 lashings, essentially a death sentence.
Jackson didn’t just steal their labor. He raped young women.

Republicans formed to end slavery and to free runaway slaves.

John C. Calhoun was one of the most notorious Democratic defenders (and Senator) of slavery. He said that slavery benefited both parties.

Today, Democrats duck responsibility by trying to blame the South. But Northern Democrats tried to protect slavery. One such advocate was Illinois Senator Steven Douglass. He thought each state should decide for/against slavery. He wanted slavery all over the world, not just here.

Republicans wanted to end the spread of slavery. Republican Senator Charles Sumner (1856) denounced slavery.
Preston Brooks, Democratic Congressman, physically attacked him from behind with a cane, nearly killing him.
Lincoln considered slavery a “form of theft.”
“You work, I eat.”
Democratic Propaganda states the Civil War as being a contest between anti-Slavery North vs. the pro-Slavery South. This is a lie. The Civil War was about a war between the Abolitionists and those who wanted Slavery.
Lincoln said, “The judgment of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”

But didn’t some Republicans own slaves? No. All the slaves at the time of the Civil War were owned by Democrats.

So, the Civil War is best known as a contest between the anti-slavery Republican Party and the Pro-Slavery Democratic Party.

Lincoln wanted to give freed slaves citizenship, equal rights, and the right to vote.
The Democrats couldn’t believe it.
Lincoln was assassinated.

Democratic Party Legacy:
Oppression
Indian Massacres
Broken Treaties
Slavery
But they claim to be the party of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s.
But that was just an Act. There already was a Civil Rights Movement lead by the Republican Party from back in the 1860s.

The 1960s Act merely tried to claim laws that were already put into the Constitution 100 years previously by the, that’s right, Republicans.
A little known fact, more Republicans than Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Today’s Democrats take credit for Civil Rights legislation.
So what’s their contribution? They finally agreed to stop filibustering it so it could pass.

“40 Acres and a Mule”
The Republican Party set aside 400,000 acres of confiscated Confederate land and began dividing it to give freed slaves 40 acres and a left-over army mule.
Democratic President Andrew Johnson gave the land back to its former plantation owners.

Democrats claim to be the “Party of Economic Opportunity”, but they opposed the 13th Amendment.
Slavery Abolishment: Republicans were 100% for, Democrats were 77% against.
Democrats claim to be the Party of “Social Justice”, but they fought the 14th Amendment, which gives citizenship to Blacks and established equality of rights under the law.
14th Amendment: Republicans 94% for, Democrats 0% for.
Democrats lecture Republicans over Racial Equality.
Racial Equality: the Democrats voted against the 15th Amendment, refusing to give slaves the right to vote.
15th Amendment: Republicans 100% for, Democrats 100% against.
Republicans also gave women the right to vote. Suffragettes were virtually all Republican, Democrats opposed Suffragettes. They fought it and lost in Congress. Then they fought it in the States where they lost again.

Democrats New Plan: Carol Swain from Vanderbilt Law School is an expert on Race Relations and Civil Rights; After Civil War in 1865, the Democratic Party was in ruins and they needed a New Plan.
The Ku Klux Klan was founded by Nathan Bedford Forrest. He was the first Grand Wizard and a pledged delegate to the Democratic Convention.
The whole purpose of the Democratic Party was to reestablish White Supremacy.
1868, the party platform was “This is a white man’s country, let a white man rule.”
Black Republicans and White Republicans were its targets.
Congressman James Hinds was the first sitting member of Congress assassinated.
During the Klans’ long reign of terror, they killed over 3,000 blacks and over 1,000 white Republicans.
The Ku Klux Klan was the military arm of the Democratic Party.

Why has all of this been swept under the rug? To cover the tracks of the Democratic Party.

The violence of racism carried well into the 20th Century, at other times, it merely changed forms.

Ida B. Wells refused to give up her 1st Class train seat to a white man. She was a Republican, working for a Republican paper. She fought for a Black Man’s 2nd Amendment right and wanted a Winchester in their home to defend themselves against the KKK.

Early Democrats opposition to the 2nd Amendment had a racist motive. In fact, almost every thing they did had a racist motive.

Why did the KKK have a revival in the early 20th Century?
Another fan of the KKK was President Woodrow Wilson. “The Birth of a Nation” by D.W. Griffith, -the first movie screened in the White House.

In 1914, Ida B. Wells confronted Woodrow Wilson for his racist views.
She called him out for removing black officials from top jobs and putting them in menial jobs, janitors, etc.
He said segregation is good for both.
He continued to segregate the Federal Government.

1924: Democratic National Convention: “The Klan Bake”
10s of 1000s of Klansmen marched on New York City shouting racist slogans and burning crosses to celebrate the Democratic Party’s refusal to condemn the KKK in their platform.

The New Deal:
FDR didn’t have the votes to pass the New Deal program, so he promised the Democratic Party that he would block any anti-lynching legislation and he would exclude blacks from most New Deal programs.
White farmers were paid to not grow crops which meant many Blacks lost their jobs.
So most blacks, if they worked on the land, if they worked as maids, if they were paid in cash, they couldn’t get Social Security.
Johnson knew he had the Black vote, but privately, he knew the Black voters outnumbered the White voters in Texas.
Called the Negro Bill, he said, “We got to give them just enough but not enough to make a difference.”
Democrats are still trying to use Black Peoples’ vote for their own gain.

Deny, Deny, Deny, Shift Blame, Shift Blame, Shift Blame. That’s all they do.

Bill Mahr: “If you are racist, you’re probably a Republican.”

The Big Switch:
Senator Strom Thurmond was a racist Democrat who became a Republican.
But wait a minute. The Blacks switched to the Democratic Party in the 1930s, based on the promises of the New Deal.
They didn’t do it due to Race. They knew they were joining the party of the KKK and the party of segregation.
Southern Whites moved over to the Republican Party much later, during the 1970s to 90s, as the South became much more prosperous.
Racism had declined dramatically in the South. So as the South became less racist, it became more Republican.
So Blacks and Whites switched parties for economic reasons.
The proof of this is in Byron Shafer and Richard Johnson’s book, “The End of Southern Exceptionalism.” It shows the poorest, most racist Whites never switched.
The Whites that did switch from Democrats to Republicans, “were the non-racists, who were attracted to the Republican Party’s message of opportunity, prosperity, and upward mobility.”

So, besides Strom Thurmond, who else switched from Democrat to Republican?
Leaders of the KKK?
Leaders of other racist organizations?
Democratic Congressmen?
Democratic Senators from 1860-2000?
All who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
14 of 1600, so less than 1%

The Big Switch is a Big Lie.

The Democrats didn’t switch from being the Bad Guys to the Good Guys, the simply found a new and better scam.

Millions of Southern Blacks moved north, joined by millions of immigrants, from all over the world. So the Democrats got an idea; Let’s recreate the plantation, but now do it in the inner city.
Obama- Dreams from my Father, “Seemed like we’d always be second-class citizens. Plantation Politics.” So evidently, Plantation talk was coming from Barack’s dad.
Black people in the worst jobs, worst housing, police brutality rampant, but when the so-called black committeemen came around election time… “We’d all line up and vote the Straight Democratic Ticket. Sell our souls for a Christmas Turkey. White folks spitting in our faces, and we’d reward them with a vote.”
So what has Obama done to get rid of the Democratic Plantation? Nothing.
That’s because he’s running it.
These plantations weren’t just for Blacks, they were also for other minorities and immigrants.
When these groups arrived, they found waiting for them a Democratic Welcoming Committee.
They helped them out, got them a place to live, got them jobs.
The immigrant plantation had their own names; ghettoes, slums, barrios.
Welcome to America!
The Democrats built them, put these vulnerable people in them, and made sure no one left them.
Nothing’s free. They made sure these folks voted for them.

Gangs have bosses who control them. The Democrats invented the “Big City” Boss.
They didn’t just control politics, they also controlled industry, Unions.
Once in power, they steal the city treasury and shake-down businesses.
This makes them the “Original Community Organizers.”
Inner City racket.
Research Richard J. Daley
Johah Goldberg is an editor at the National Review. “Democrats used to like to be called Liberals.”
Today, it’s Progressive. What does Progressive mean? Social engineering, social control.
U.S. : Progressivism
USSR: Communism
Italy: Fascism

The Holocaust started off as progressive ideas, experimentation, planning, eugenics.

Margaret Sanger – Silver Lake New Jersey 1926. – Planned Parenthood
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Just because you are new to politics, and don't know where the word started and doesn't mean Hillary came up with that word. It was done by, and for the "alt right", because they thought it was cool. Let them have it, we are ok with the word, because it separates, the Steve Brannon, Jeff Sessions type of ideology, from mainstream America, as it should. These word is also proudly a part of the KKK, Skinheads, and so called "freedom" fighters hiding out in their compounds in Montana, Idaho and parts of Utah. All of these people form a coalition of destroying the government, because they hate government as much as they hate people that are not white.

You asked what is alt-left? No, there isn't currently an alt-left, in America (although, there have been several alt-left dictators in other countries. We have never had such a presidency, until now. We had conservatives, and real conservative, conservatives, just like we have liberals and very liberal and they are called progressive because we believe in equality of ALL of our citizens.
Where did you get the idea that I'm "new to politics?"

Okay, when you associate "alt-right" with groups like KKK etc., that's just over the top and ridiculous nonsense. Those people are not even "the Right." They are basically anarchists, and fascists. This is the problem with such terms. No one knows to whom you are referring when you use them. They mean something different to everyone.

Are you trying to say Steve Bannon and Jeff Sessions are "alt-right" as you define it? Jeff Sessions who has spent much of his life fighting for civil rights? Please.

You obviously don't know what "progressivism" or progressives are, because they aren't what you define them to be (above). "Progressives" are Marxist-socialists. They believe in government "experts" controlling everything. Basically, they are "collectivists" as well.

You need to do some study on the Progressive Movement (begun in Europe, and imported into the U.S. through the University system).
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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And they're still trying. Obama has not left the scene, but is operating as a "shadow government" out of his mansion in D.C.
Limousine communist best describes him.
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Old 08-13-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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Don't just slander someone, as good a man as former President Obama. You must specify each crime and lie with proof. No one, and I mean no one, can come up with anything. That president was as honest and trustworthy as any president in my lifetime of 72 years, since Dwight d. Eisenhower and Jimmy Carter. All the rest, both parties, once again. Have had scandal and untrustworthy moments (or presidencies) plus wars, and recessions.


Those against Obama can't help but to bash Obama and they will believe anything from a right-wing source even knowing that it's not true. I believe Obama was a good man more decent then anyone we've had in office for some time not. As I've said before I didn't and still don't agree with the ACA but otherwise I think he tried to more honest then anyone I can think off of right off the bat. That's not to say he didn't have other problems while in office.


Obama had manners and treated everyone with respect and I think that upset a lot of those on the right because they believe that manners isn't something that the U.S should have to worry about.
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Old 08-13-2017, 10:42 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Wealth was ALREADY redistributed, when Reagan was president, then both Bushes. THEN, TO TOP IT ALL OFF THEY MADE CORPORATIONS, citizens! with the unconstitutional Citizens United.
Corporations are owned by stockholders, who are people (citizens is what you said). Are not other groups treated as "people?"
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