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Your friends are not an example of "blacks being told they are owed something". That is an example of YOU being told by whites that blacks are owed something. What I want you to demonstrate is white liberals telling this to black people. The fact that there are white people that agree with reparations is not the same as white folks crusading in the black community telling us that we are owed something.
Couldn't rep you more on this. But it is true. Also usually when whites are for reparations, it usually is due to them listening to a black friend/colleague about the issue or reading something, usually written by a black person. Ta-Nahei Coates' "The Case for Reparations" was a piece that I know made many whites, especially liberal whites, view the idea of a reparations program in a new light.
Couldn't rep you more on this. But it is true. Also usually when whites are for reparations, it usually is due to them listening to a black friend/colleague about the issue or reading something, usually written by a black person. Ta-Nahei Coates' "The Case for Reparations" was a piece that I know made many whites, especially liberal whites, view the idea of a reparations program in a new light.
Yeah.....again....there seems to be this ubiquitous and implicit assumption that we are weak minded and gullible people who cannot discern, on our own, what and who is best for us. You cannot come to the conclusions that so many of them come to without a healthy disrespect for black intellect.
It doesn't need to be directly going up to black people and telling them that. They communicate it throughout society by pushing for those policies. Maybe most black people don't listen to it and accept it, which is great. I've argued with some who do, but I'll take your word for it that most don't believe they deserve government assistance.
On the bold in regards to "government assistance" I'd ask which specific policies and assistance programs are believed by conservatives to be things that blacks listen to in regards to liberal policy.
Education is probably the biggest issue that black Americans care about. We also care about healthcare like most Americans and various other regular issues that have nothing to do with government programs that are frequently labeled as "social assistance" or welfare. Another big issue of late is entrepreneurship and jobs. These are things all Americans have an opinion on. And all black people's opinions aren't the same on these topics even within the Democratic party. And it is very odd to me that oftentimes the conservative mantra on blacks in America is usually from the perspective of us needing them to save us from Democrats/liberalism when black people on the ground, we are not seeking anyone to save us. We are seeking to influence politics and government in a way that will be beneficial to our local communities and/or states, same as other people in this country. I'd think all the issues I stated above are issues that are advocated for by all Americans. No one recently is advocating for government assistance.
I'd also note that it is interesting that when white conservatives do advocate for social programs, there is no labeling of them as being on a "plantation" or under someone's control. I know you T0103E don't like many if any social programs; however the GOP and the majority of conservatives in our country are for expansions of all sorts of social programs.
It doesn't need to be directly going up to black people and telling them that. They communicate it throughout society by pushing for those policies. Maybe most black people don't listen to it and accept it, which is great. I've argued with some who do, but I'll take your word for it that most don't believe they deserve government assistance.
So I'm more "Black" than "White" as I've stated numerous times on this board. My phenotype is more of a Afro-Puerto Rican.
I know some of my family history but not all. And I have no interest in finding out. I'm me...period.
I know the poor minority ghetto experience though. Lived it.
There is a mixture of feeling that you "deserve" government assistance and being very receptive to government assistance when it is offered within this community.
Neither is healthy or wise.
Both produce a similar mindset of dependence and group identity...which are very toxic.
Like you said, the government is not your friend. And of the things it does terribly this is one thing it actual does well: creating and/or fostering this mindset.
I look at it this way with statist Leftists from my old hood (who make up well over 90% of it if I had to estimate):
For centuries this government has systematically used and abused you with most of that behavior based on your skin tone. Unleashed from the codified oppression completely now your first instinct is to trust and work even more within that same government?
The psychology behind this has always fascinated me. We talk about how statism is like Stockholm Syndrome from time to time on here. This is all I can come up with as an explanation. There is a psychological bond between statists (sure more so Left but we know Right as well) and the government.
Jews were oppressed worse than blacks. That certainly can be argued. However, Jews migrated from the lands of their oppressors, while blacks still live in the land of their oppressors. Jews also are not as easily identified as blacks are, by their oppressors. You really do not know that a person is Jewish unless they tell you so or if they wear attire or dress like orthodox Jews. Jewish is a religion, furthermore, and not a race. There was nothing a black person could do to "hide" or blend in, like Jews, Irish, Polish or any other "white" ethnic could do after a period of time. What makes a person Jewish is the same thing that makes a person a Muslim or a Christian......its called "choice". Being black is not a choice. If you do not make that choice, then you are just another member of the "white" persuasion.
I'm not talking about Jews in USA, but in Russia. And yes they were recognized very easily. You cannot recognize them because you are black and for you all the whites are the same. Russians can recognize Jews on the spot.
if you accept that belief then you need to accept that you are a racist? Why do you feel that one can accept what you propose and not accept that they are racist?
noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
1. "Race realist" don't claim race determines individual achievement, yes genetics in large part determine group achievement and culture especially if the racial group is left to its own devices. They don't usually claim one race is superior and another inferior, only that they are different and not fully compatible, and they definitely don't want to dominate another race (or be dominated), and that's why they want separate cultures.
2. Again, "racists" don't want discrimination they want monoculturalism.
3. They generally don't hate or not tolerate other races. They reject multiculturalism and believe there should be separate cultures and can even admire them.
It doesn't need to be directly going up to black people and telling them that. They communicate it throughout society by pushing for those policies. Maybe most black people don't listen to it and accept it, which is great. I've argued with some who do, but I'll take your word for it that most don't believe they deserve government assistance.
They must be failing terribly because there has never been reparations and Affirmative Action is on the decline, despite the biggest beneficiary of AA being white women. Blacks don't follow white liberals. Remember one of the complaints with the "occupy wall street" movement was that blacks were not helping to support it. If blacks were followers as you suggest, all the white liberal needed to do was tell blacks that to come because it was in our interest.
You definitely don't know how the black community thinks.
Whites absolutely ARE taught that they are victims.
It is this perceived victimization that is at the root of the disaffection shown by that 20-year-old that ran over that young woman.
It is this perceived victimization that is the root of Dylan Roof's murderous rampage.
It is this perceived victimization that led to 45 being elected by a body of poor whites in Appalachia and elsewhere who believe that they wouldn't be poor if someone else hadn't gotten what was duly theirs.
"More likely to help themselves?"
Absolutely not.
More likely to sit on their rears and demand that opportunity is brought to them on a silver platter is what they are.
Whites are victims of their majority countries being diluted to minority white and subsequently socio-politically and culturally altered. They are victims of their history, identity and culture being under attack. They are victims of affirmative action. They are the largest victims of interracial crime. They are being used as a scapegoat.
1. "Race realist" don't claim race determines individual achievement, yes genetics in large part determine group achievement and culture especially if the racial group is left to its own devices. They don't usually claim one race is superior and another inferior, only that they are different and not fully compatible, and they definitely don't want to dominate another race (or be dominated), and that's why they want separate cultures.
2. Again, "racists" don't want discrimination they want monoculturalism.
3. They generally don't hate or not tolerate other races. They reject multiculturalism and believe there should be separate cultures and can even admire them.
Oh....I see you have invented your own term "race realist"......which is sort of like a racist....but better I guess....lol.
"Race realist"...aka...a "real racist"...you are just confused about where to attach the suffix "ist".
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"Its no coincidence that these white extremist groups are almost all conservatives/libertarian/Republican."
Its also no coincidence that blacks commit the majority of violent crime in our country despite being only 13% of the population. Its called racial genetics and evolution.
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