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Old 08-28-2017, 07:48 AM
 
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Charities try to help Oklahoma teachers survive pay collapse



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With state revenues depleted by deep tax cuts and lower energy prices, Oklahoma’s teacher salaries are now the second lowest in the U.S., even though the state’s gross domestic product ranks 29th.

 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:01 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Teachers haven’t had a pay hike in a decade, and 10-year veteran teachers who are single now make little enough that their own children qualify for reduced-price school lunches.
that's pretty bad.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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that's pretty bad.

There are however some employees of educational institutions in OK that are among the highest paid in the US. The football and basketball coaches at the state universities of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are near the top when compared to their peers.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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There are however some employees of educational institutions in OK that are among the highest paid in the US. The football and basketball coaches at the state universities of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are near the top when compared to their peers.
Football coaches at large universities are often among the highest paid state employees, sometimes the highest period. That's because they're positive net revenue generators for their respective institutions if they're good at their jobs.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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While school budgets overall have suffered, teacher pay has taken the greatest hit because it alone is entirely funded by state appropriations rather than a mix of state, local and county revenue. Oklahoma’s average teacher salary of $45,276
$45K for what is essentially a part time job doesn't seem like half bad money. At 8 hours a day and 180 school days a year, that works out to $31.25 an hour. Just how much SHOULD taxpayers be on the hook for here?
 
Old 08-28-2017, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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There are however some employees of educational institutions in OK that are among the highest paid in the US. The football and basketball coaches at the state universities of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are near the top when compared to their peers.
It's good they have their priorities straight.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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$45K for what is essentially a part time job doesn't seem like half bad money. At 8 hours a day and 180 school days a year, that works out to $31.25 an hour. Just how much SHOULD taxpayers be on the hook for here?
Do you know any teachers? I do. Most of them spend their nights and weekends grading papers and preparing lesson plans. They go in early to set things up, for staff meetings, for bus duty, crossing duty, and often don't get a lunch break because they have lunch room duty or playground. Then they stay late tutoring kids or meeting with parents. Many work 60 hours or more a week. In my state they buy school supplies from their own pockets for their kids. In any case, it is a 9 to 10 month job not 180 instructional days any more than any other salaried job is based on hours worked.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 02:25 PM
 
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$45K for what is essentially a part time job doesn't seem like half bad money. At 8 hours a day and 180 school days a year, that works out to $31.25 an hour. Just how much SHOULD taxpayers be on the hook for here?
If you think schoolteachers day's end when the school-day is over, i've got a bridge to sell you.....
 
Old 08-28-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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Do you know any teachers? I do. Most of them spend their nights and weekends grading papers and preparing lesson plans. They go in early to set things up, for staff meetings, for bus duty, crossing duty, and often don't get a lunch break because they have lunch room duty or playground. Then they stay late tutoring kids or meeting with parents. Many work 60 hours or more a week. In my state they buy school supplies from their own pockets for their kids. In any case, it is a 9 to 10 month job not 180 instructional days any more than any other salaried job is based on hours worked.
Most salary exempt FTEs work extra hours as well, on top of the standard 2080 hour work year. The bottom line is that teachers get an extra 10-12 weeks of non-work that other salary professions do not, and the average salary reflects that. Is is roughly 3/4 what 2,080 salaries would be for comparable work/education reqs/etc, because it is roughly 3/4 as many days worked. This is not difficult math.
 
Old 08-28-2017, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Volunteer State
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$45K for what is essentially a part time job doesn't seem like half bad money. At 8 hours a day and 180 school days a year, that works out to $31.25 an hour. Just how much SHOULD taxpayers be on the hook for here?

There's quite a few obvious errors in your post, but I believe it would be moot to point them out.

I've spend hours in this forum, rebutting posts like this... trying to re-educate the general public about the horrid misconceptions you have about the above information. And I'm not alone in my heart-felt (but ill-fated) attempts. Dozens of other teachers have done the same... all with the same results.

People like you have no inclination to accept the idea that you could be wrong, because in doing so, you'd have to admit that you were wrong. And people as arrogant as you (to think you know more about another profession in which you have never been a part) have little to no ability to concede your errors.

I'm really tired of doing so. It's futile. And as long as people like you refuse to actually listen - and accept - the TRUE facts of our profession... as long as people like you hold the entire profession accountable for a few bad outliers... as long as people like you think the profession isn't worthy of some respect... then there will be little, if any, forward momentum in our country's educational success.

Your (and countless others') lack of knowledge - and respect - is why we will be stuck in an educational/intellectual miasma for a long time to come.
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