Um, how was the Confederacy any different than the Founders? (legal, activist)

[MongooseHugger]

I mean, in the strictest sense, the Founders thought England was having too much control over their lives and so rebelled and the Confederacy thought that the North and the federal government had too much power over their lives and so rebelled.


Both were technically "traitors" to their mother nation. Both believed their cause was right and the other side was oppressive and needed to be fought against to preserve their way of life. Both of them included slaveholders among their ranks. What makes one good but the other so bad that their statues should be torn down?



(BTW, this isn't intended to bash the Founders but to try and make people think.)

[jjrose]

If the founding fathers had lost do you think there would be statues of them allowed in the British colonies?

[vacoder]

Originally Posted by MongooseHugger

I mean, in the strictest sense, the Founders thought England was having too much control over their lives and so rebelled and the Confederacy thought that the North and the federal government had too much power over their lives and so rebelled.


Both were technically "traitors" to their mother nation. Both believed their cause was right and the other side was oppressive and needed to be fought against to preserve their way of life. Both of them included slaveholders among their ranks. What makes one good but the other so bad that their statues should be torn down?



(BTW, this isn't intended to bash the Founders but to try and make people think.)

Some refer to the revolution as Americas first civil war in the sense that not everyone by a long shot was for it. Patriots and Tories were both minority factions of the populist.

[mtl1]

The only argument I've seen is that the Union was trying to end slavery and the Confederacy was fighting to preserve it. I'm not saying that is all the Confederacy and everyone in it were fighting for, but that's the only argument I've seen for why the confederacy monuments can come down but not basically everything else.


But the people advocating for removing all things confederate are going after all the rest "cuz slavery". I've seen numerous black "leaders" and "activist", not just random people on the street, admitting they're going to go after everything else. I knew that was the real agenda before they ever started going after the confederacy monuments. This was their agenda in 1960s even.

[rbohm]

the confederacy was not a traitor to the US since the states seceded and formed their own country. the founders never formed their own country, they just declared their independence from the king.

also all the confederate military resigned from the US military BEFORE they joined the CSA military.. the founding fathers never resigned their commissions officially.

the problem isnt that the founders, or the CSA were traitors, the problem is modern day people taking modern day morals, and modern day attitudes, and applying them to people from more than 150 years ago with a different set of morals, and a different attitude. this is something we cannot do. we have to apply the morals and attitude from the day to those from more than 150 years ago.

at the time slavery was in fact a contentious issue, some wanted it abolished, some wanted to keep it alive, and both had good reasons for what they wanted. those reasons to keep slavery dont wash today, but too many people forget that at the time it was a legal institution.