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Old 09-07-2017, 06:56 AM
 
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what are your thoughts on citizenship at birth? Honestly if we were really concerned about security we would not grant it because terrorists certainly have the money to send their wives and wait until reunification occurs many years later with their kids US citizenship privileges.

The article is about Russian citizens however I know Asians flock to California and I'm sure those from the Middle East have their preferred destinations?


Russians Flock to Trump Properties to Give Birth to U.S. Citizens
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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Here is an article on Asian birth tourism

Why birth tourism from China persists even as U.S. officials crack down - LA Times
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:13 AM
 
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This should be eliminated immediately.

Why doesn't Congress do so? Seems like a slam-dunk to me.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:20 AM
 
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I agree that Congress should mandate that at least one of the parents already be an American citizen.


I recall, back in the 1970s, of going to Big Bend National Park. I was visiting a very small hamlet on the edge of the Rio Grande and visited with the teacher of the only school in the area. I recall that he said he had some 15 students (he taught all grades, in one room), and that about half of them would cross the river each morning to attend class, returning in the afternoon. Seeing my puzzled face, he explained that when a pregnant Mexican woman (from the village on the other side) was close to delivery, she would simply cross the river, and 'give birth to an American'. She and baby would then return home, until such time as schooling (and medical attention, presumably) was needed.


Anyway, mandating that one parent be an American citizen does not seem unreasonable.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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I agree that Congress should mandate that at least one of the parents already be an American citizen.
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Seems reasonable to me.

Why don't they do it?

Would be a big hit with the base.

Does anyone else care one way or the other?
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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Seems reasonable to me.

Why don't they do it?

Would be a big hit with the base.

Does anyone else care one way or the other?
I agree with eliminating it.

But that would require a fundamental amendment to the constitution. And in this political climate I don't see that happening.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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This is an example of another loop hole in our immigration policy that too many are taking advantage of so it needs ot be stopped.
If you come here to have your baby we will help you deliver it in one of our fine hospitals but when baby and mom are good to go then they both go home. Why should the baby be given citizenship?


When you think about it the baby was smuggled into the country, he doesn't speak English, he cannot work so he will have to go on welfare and be dependent on charitable people/government for all of his needs. He will be a burden on us all.
I'm joking of course.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees U.S. citizenship to those born in the United States, provided the person is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

Those who are not here legally, are they "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States?
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:32 AM
 
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Surprised to read that Canada, and Mexico also grant unconditional birthright citizenship.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:33 AM
 
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Seems reasonable to me.

Why don't they do it?

Would be a big hit with the base.

Does anyone else care one way or the other?


The reason is that the prevailing legal thought is that it would require a Constitutional amendment, amending the Fourteenth Amendment. The Supreme Court has ruled that said Amendment means that one born on US soil is a citizen.


"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


Looking around some, I see that the Republican platform during the two Reagan campaigns called for a Constitutional amendment. Said platform disappeared with George Bush the Elder.


Mr. Trump, prior to election, also called for at least one parent to be a citizen, although he has not mentioned it since becoming President. I saw where even Harry Reid has stated that it was 'insane' for there to be 'birthright citizenship' for children of illegals (both parents). Of course, Mr. Reid thought such in 1993 (per a bill he introduced), but he subsequently changed his mind.


This was an interesting article from 2015, which discusses some of the more technical problems:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ending-...t-citizenship/
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