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Old 09-08-2017, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
They were probably referring to culture not race or skin color.
Which is still not true.

If two vastly different cultures freely associate with each other (I assume for mutual benefit) they can coexist.

If the cultural differences were too great they simply wouldn't associate.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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Brazil is a monoculture nowadays in a lot of ways, they mostly speak the same language, because of "Racial Whitening", their looks are diverse but genetically they are very similar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanqueamiento
They were also referring to white people becoming a minority, and like I previously said Brazil is technically Whiter than the current U.S so why aren't we Brazil?

I found the Post
Post #6
//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...nto-white.html
Well, I don't care about race or skin color however I wouldn't want us to all look alike nor would I want us to become Brazil culturally.
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Old 09-08-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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Zoning, Busing, Compulsory schooling itself, Affirmative Action, Civil Rights Act, immigration laws all socially engineer associations of people who would not otherwise interact with each other.

Both groups know this and it generally creates division.
I still don't get how that is forced association.

And those things don't create division. The division was already there. Those things were there to combat the already existing divisions. Let's just call it what it is. Black Americans have long been looked down on, and were often not welcome in certain places. Blacks didn't have any say in whether or not they wanted segregated schools, segregated neighborhoods, and have their rights stripped from them. Blacks were the ones seeing their freedom of movement restricted. They had no say. When Blacks finally had their say, the process of integration started.

There is nothing about "freedom of association". This is all about "we want to keep Blacks away".

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Old 09-08-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Zoning, Busing, Compulsory schooling itself, Affirmative Action, Civil Rights Act, immigration laws all socially engineer associations of people who would not otherwise interact with each other.

Both groups know this and it generally creates division.
None of them force you to associate with anyone, I suspect that you would rather we forced segregation. Don't want to associate with someone you find "different" then don't, real simple.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Yeah if you don't like the blacks you can just move. If you don't like the whites you can just move noone is forcing you. Their are still states that are 90% White and their are plenty of Countries that are 90% White (Unless you consider Slavs to be subhuman then your choices are more limited/ and that is another problem). Their are no states but their are areas that are 90% black. Their are also countries that are 90% black, if you see your race as defining your culture have at it but that's not me.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:02 AM
 
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It depends on a ton of factors so it's hard to say up-front whether they work or not. They can, at least to an extent, and Canada and Australia, also soon with a white minority population have done reasonably OK so far. But the question is what happens if an economy tanks, if population density increases (easier to pull of if lots of extra space to put people) and especially if the burden on a given segment of the population gets too high. The reality is that American whites and, to an extent, Asians are suffering an increasing burden due to the way affirmative action discriminates against them, and they have to pay the bulk of taxes to support schooling and other services for the emerging majority of Latino, African-American and Muslim citizens. A burden that grows ever worse as their numbers shrink further. This is where friction will inevitably get worse. Multiracial societies can sometimes work if economic burdens and gains are roughly equally shared, there's overall prosperity and general gains in well being. But they never work amid the massive inequality that the US is heading towards, like Brazil but with much sharper lines and fiercer polarization dividing the different groups.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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It depends on a ton of factors so it's hard to say up-front whether they work or not. They can, at least to an extent, and Canada and Australia, also soon with a white minority population have done reasonably OK so far. But the question is what happens if an economy tanks, if population density increases (easier to pull of if lots of extra space to put people) and especially if the burden on a given segment of the population gets too high. The reality is that American whites and, to an extent, Asians are suffering an increasing burden due to the way affirmative action discriminates against them, and they have to pay the bulk of taxes to support schooling and other services for the emerging majority of Latino, African-American and Muslim citizens. A burden that grows ever worse as their numbers shrink further. This is where friction will inevitably get worse. Multiracial societies can sometimes work if economic burdens and gains are roughly equally shared, there's overall prosperity and general gains in well being. But they never work amid the massive inequality that the US is heading towards, like Brazil but with much sharper lines and fiercer polarization dividing the different groups.
That isn't realistic view.
1. Muslims in America are as wealthy as Asians and often included in Asian and White populations.
2. Asian population is growing rapidly.
3. African American population is barely growing.
4. Africans are nearly as wealthy as Whites.
5. African population is exploding like Asians.
6. Latino population from wealthy subgroups like Venezuelans is growing rapidly.
7. Latinos have several wealthy cities already so it is a wash at best.

So the "burden" isn't growing at all.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I still don't get how that is forced association.

And those things don't create division. The division was already there. Those things were there to combat the already existing divisions. Let's just call it what it is. Black Americans have long been looked down on, and were often not welcome in certain places. Blacks didn't have any say in whether or not they wanted segregated schools, segregated neighborhoods, and have their rights stripped from them. Blacks were the ones seeing their freedom of movement restricted. They had no say. When Blacks finally had their say, the process of integration started.

There is nothing about "freedom of association". This is all about "we want to keep Blacks away".
Sadly, the race card. *sigh*

Has nothing to do with race. NOTHING. If you don't understand how State-mandated edicts destroy free association in schooling, housing, business, immigration etc I don't know what to tell you.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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None of them force you to associate with anyone, I suspect that you would rather we forced segregation. Don't want to associate with someone you find "different" then don't, real simple.
No, State-mandated association (segregation or integration) is immoral and violent.

You must associate with certain people or face the wrath of the State. Has nothing to do with being "different".
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yeah if you don't like the blacks you can just move. If you don't like the whites you can just move noone is forcing you. Their are still states that are 90% White and their are plenty of Countries that are 90% White (Unless you consider Slavs to be subhuman then your choices are more limited/ and that is another problem). Their are no states but their are areas that are 90% black. Their are also countries that are 90% black, if you see your race as defining your culture have at it but that's not me.
Has nothing to do with race. Man you liberals get going on that race card and look out.
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