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Old 09-14-2017, 07:50 PM
 
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So the press is outraged at Trump drawing a moral equivalency between the KKK and Antifa. But the press is not outraged at drawing a moral equivalency between Israel and Hamas. What gives?
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:47 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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First of all you are a trying to match a country and a group to two groups inside of a country. So if you are going to match up groups then you should choose two opposing groups within Israel. So for the Jewish side let's use Lehava.

Lehava
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehava

Hamas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:05 PM
 
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So the press is outraged at Trump drawing a moral equivalency between the KKK and Antifa. But the press is not outraged at drawing a moral equivalency between Israel and Hamas. What gives?
White racial identity and nationalism are always evil. But polite global opinion is split on Jewish racial identity and nationalism. It's seen more favorably in North America than elsewhere.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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First of all you are a trying to match a country and a group to two groups inside of a country. So if you are going to match up groups then you should choose two opposing groups within Israel. So for the Jewish side let's use Lehava.

Lehava
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehava

Hamas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
The Jewish group, while despicable, doesn't have something that Hamas has.

Public office.

Hamas is extremely influential in policy making for Palestine. This is a fact; and it is a problem. Objectively, there really is not comparison here. Israel is indeed the "good guy" in this matchup. That's not to say they aren't without flaw or have never been the aggressor. But one side is far more aggressive.

And to be clear, I have no qualms with the Palestinian people. I favor a two-state solution but we have to acknowledge that Hamas stands in the way of that. They either need to de-radicalize or be removed from the equation.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:48 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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The Jewish group, while despicable, doesn't have something that Hamas has.

Public office.

Hamas is extremely influential in policy making for Palestine. This is a fact; and it is a problem. Objectively, there really is not comparison here. Israel is indeed the "good guy" in this matchup. That's not to say they aren't without flaw or have never been the aggressor. But one side is far more aggressive.

And to be clear, I have no qualms with the Palestinian people. I favor a two-state solution but we have to acknowledge that Hamas stands in the way of that. They either need to de-radicalize or be removed from the equation.
You've got the wrong group. Fatah is the political power in charge of the Palestinian Authority and not Hamas.
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Old 09-17-2017, 01:14 PM
 
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You've got the wrong group. Fatah is the political power in charge of the Palestinian Authority and not Hamas.
Technically you're right, but only technically.
It is impossible to attain peace while Hamas exists. Any agreement between Israel and the PA will be blown up by Hamas. Any Palestinian state will be overthrown by Hamas. The West bank would be turned into Gaza.

Of course Israel is well aware of this and knows it would be suicide to make a "peace" agreement with the PA. In fact the Pal population supports Hamas. In the only election they had they voted for Hamas.
And the PA is far from being angels. Very far. The murder of Israeli civilians is a policy they have encouraged through their media, schools and mosques, and that they financially support.

There actually is not much difference between Fatah (the PA) and Hamas. Fatah wants to destroy Israel demographically (and if they can't get that then push Israel into indefensible borders and eventually destroy Israel militarily). Hamas is much more up front about it: continue to attack until Israel is destroyed.
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Old 09-17-2017, 10:34 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Technically you're right, but only technically.
It is impossible to attain peace while Hamas exists. Any agreement between Israel and the PA will be blown up by Hamas. Any Palestinian state will be overthrown by Hamas. The West bank would be turned into Gaza.

Of course Israel is well aware of this and knows it would be suicide to make a "peace" agreement with the PA. In fact the Pal population supports Hamas. In the only election they had they voted for Hamas.
And the PA is far from being angels. Very far. The murder of Israeli civilians is a policy they have encouraged through their media, schools and mosques, and that they financially support.

There actually is not much difference between Fatah (the PA) and Hamas. Fatah wants to destroy Israel demographically (and if they can't get that then push Israel into indefensible borders and eventually destroy Israel militarily). Hamas is much more up front about it: continue to attack until Israel is destroyed.
It is impossible to attain peace while Hamas and Fatah (otherwise known as the PLO) exist. The Palestinian population supports neither. The problem is that the people have no real choice while living in fear of their own leaderships in the West Bank or Gaza. The votes for Hamas to have a majority in the legislature in 2006 was due to Hamas having a religious platform which was more people oriented. They did not think they were getting a leadership crazier than Fatah.
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