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Just because they try to hide their faces like the KKK does not we cannot find out who they are. When they are arrested for violence or destruction of property charge them under RICO or as a enemy combatant until the group disbands. Same with the KKK and those groups. You can't stop free speech but you can punish severely those who violate the law.
So the John Birch Society and MANY other right wing "cells" which have existed in secret for decades....if we can find that some of their members colluded with the Russians or broke the law, we can shut down the entire society?
Let me know when the Vatican and Catholic Church is charged with the RICO act. Then we'll talk.
You are being silly. No such "antifa" organization exists. What you are proposing is what we should have round up all the hippies due to Charles Manson.
I've been a lefty for almost 50 years - been to all the protests in DC, lived on a commune and am very familiar with the Bay Area. Yet I had to have people like you tell me these people even existed...
Sorta like ACORN...you guys are always fear-based and think there is some giant plot as opposed to a couple of immature losers and anarchists who want to kick Fascist butt.
I am all for them as individuals if they don't break the law(s) regarding violence. When they do that, unless in self-defense, they should be treated as any other lawbreaker would.
You are incoherent. Not surprising you sympathize with ANTIFA.
So you say there is no ANTIFA, no ISIS they don't exist, its all just to get government jobs, or I am a thug? That makes sense.
Just because they try to hide their faces like the KKK does not we cannot find out who they are. When they are arrested for violence or destruction of property charge them under RICO or as a enemy combatant until the group disbands. Same with the KKK and those groups. You can't stop free speech but you can punish severely those who violate the law.
You don't get it.
Antifa has no leaders. They never meet in groups outside the rallies and other events. There is no central organization. They do not share common political beliefs. They pay no dues, have no roll calls, don't know each other as a group, have no shared religion, no particular home base state or community, and have no large political agenda.
They only have to know a few very simple things. Whether they decide to use those things or not is totally up to each as an individual.
They are free to change their minds at will. No one cares who else shows up or what they do once they get there.
If any one of them decides to leave, it's no big deal for those who stay. Their rules of operation are very simple. Anyone can follow them, and violence is an option, not their only choice, in the rules.
if they are arrested, they're on their own. If someone wants to bail them out, it's an individual thing, because there is no organization that will do it. But part of their rulebook includes ways of avoiding arrest, and avoidance is pretty simple.
All they do is oppose all fascists, in whatever form fascism appears, wherever and whenever it comes. They come prepared to meet whatever comes on the other side.
And they fully intend to provoke the fascists. Discouraging the spread of fascism is all anitfa intends to do.
They can be conservatives as easily as liberals, or can be anarchists, or libertarians or young teabaggers. They can be Christians or Jews or Muslims or 7th Day Adventists or about anything but Quakers.
Some probably work for the government, some never work, some are wealthy, some are poor, and some only took a day off to go raise a little hell instead of going to the dentist.
The only thing they aren't are peace-niks, tender little snowflakes, or stay-at-home keyboard commandos. If fascist bully-boys arrive, the antifa may be the first to fight.
Or not. It all depends on who's there at that moment and what they decide to do.
They may have been racist southern democrats 80 years ago but you own them now, so step up, man up and admit it.
Don't try and sell us on the idea that the stinking, steaming pile of KKK in the middle of the room is the democrats.
The Klan was started by the Democrats. And they still belong to the Democrats.
Founded in 1866, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s.
But we already know that. So back to the topic of this thread.
The Anti-fa are fascists. Trust a DemocRAT to be opposite. The abortionists pretend to be pro-children. Those who pretend to be for free speech, squelch any speech that doesn't fit their narrative. And on and on. The DemocRATS are on the wrong side of history, again.
Antifa has no leaders. They never meet in groups outside the rallies and other events. There is no central organization. They do not share common political beliefs. They pay no dues, have no roll calls, don't know each other as a group, have no shared religion, no particular home base state or community, and have no large political agenda.
They only have to know a few very simple things. Whether they decide to use those things or not is totally up to each as an individual.
They are free to change their minds at will. No one cares who else shows up or what they do once they get there.
If any one of them decides to leave, it's no big deal for those who stay. Their rules of operation are very simple. Anyone can follow them, and violence is an option, not their only choice, in the rules.
if they are arrested, they're on their own. If someone wants to bail them out, it's an individual thing, because there is no organization that will do it. But part of their rulebook includes ways of avoiding arrest, and avoidance is pretty simple.
All they do is oppose all fascists, in whatever form fascism appears, wherever and whenever it comes. They come prepared to meet whatever comes on the other side.
And they fully intend to provoke the fascists. Discouraging the spread of fascism is all anitfa intends to do.
They can be conservatives as easily as liberals, or can be anarchists, or libertarians or young teabaggers. They can be Christians or Jews or Muslims or 7th Day Adventists or about anything but Quakers.
Some probably work for the government, some never work, some are wealthy, some are poor, and some only took a day off to go raise a little hell instead of going to the dentist.
The only thing they aren't are peace-niks, tender little snowflakes, or stay-at-home keyboard commandos. If fascist bully-boys arrive, the antifa may be the first to fight.
Or not. It all depends on who's there at that moment and what they decide to do.
You're hilarious. Have you ever read a history book dealing with the fascist rise to power in other countries? Apparently not, because if you did you would understand exactly how ridiculous the bolded statement is.
Fascists:
1) Typically disagree with the results of elections.
2) Use violence to shut down opposition to their beliefs.
3) Intimidate the populace into supporting them, whether the populace agrees with them or not.
Please, tell us again how Antifa is opposing fascism, when they fit every single criteria of a fascist movement. The fact that you were able to write your post without falling out of your chair from laughter boggles the mind.
Antifa has no leaders. They never meet in groups outside the rallies and other events. There is no central organization. They do not share common political beliefs. They pay no dues, have no roll calls, don't know each other as a group, have no shared religion, no particular home base state or community, and have no large political agenda.
They only have to know a few very simple things. Whether they decide to use those things or not is totally up to each as an individual.
They are free to change their minds at will. No one cares who else shows up or what they do once they get there.
If any one of them decides to leave, it's no big deal for those who stay. Their rules of operation are very simple. Anyone can follow them, and violence is an option, not their only choice, in the rules.
if they are arrested, they're on their own. If someone wants to bail them out, it's an individual thing, because there is no organization that will do it. But part of their rulebook includes ways of avoiding arrest, and avoidance is pretty simple.
All they do is oppose all fascists, in whatever form fascism appears, wherever and whenever it comes. They come prepared to meet whatever comes on the other side.
And they fully intend to provoke the fascists. Discouraging the spread of fascism is all anitfa intends to do.
They can be conservatives as easily as liberals, or can be anarchists, or libertarians or young teabaggers. They can be Christians or Jews or Muslims or 7th Day Adventists or about anything but Quakers.
Some probably work for the government, some never work, some are wealthy, some are poor, and some only took a day off to go raise a little hell instead of going to the dentist.
The only thing they aren't are peace-niks, tender little snowflakes, or stay-at-home keyboard commandos. If fascist bully-boys arrive, the antifa may be the first to fight.
Or not. It all depends on who's there at that moment and what they decide to do.
Beyond that..you're right..and you're wrong..which is to say..that embedded within the Antifa..is the Anarchist movement--and their agenda is more than fighting Fascism.
The hard core anarchist wants chaos..and will do what is necessary to get it. The are virulently anti-state..any state. The Black Block--made famous, in some circles, at the WTO riots--are riding the Antifa movement..with intent. The hard core Anarchists are organized into cells..and are ideologically committed.
I thought I'd point this out..as the Anarchists are the avowed enemies of the State, unlike the Antifa..who are committed to a better State..devoid of Fascism and racism.
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You are incoherent. Not surprising you sympathize with ANTIFA.
So you say there is no ANTIFA, no ISIS they don't exist, its all just to get government jobs, or I am a thug? That makes sense.
Just because they try to hide their faces like the KKK does not we cannot find out who they are. When they are arrested for violence or destruction of property charge them under RICO or as a enemy combatant until the group disbands. Same with the KKK and those groups. You can't stop free speech but you can punish severely those who violate the law.
I hardly "sympathize" with Antifa, more like I recognize the futility of chasing an "organization" that isn't an organization.
It's bound to work just as well as McCarthy's hunt for "communists" did, which is, it didn't. it was great for smearing those who didn't agree with him.
You're hilarious. Have you ever read a history book dealing with the fascist rise to power in other countries? Apparently not, because if you did you would understand exactly how ridiculous the bolded statement is.
Fascists:
1) Typically disagree with the results of elections.
2) Use violence to shut down opposition to their beliefs.
3) Intimidate the populace into supporting them, whether the populace agrees with them or not.
Please, tell us again how Antifa is opposing fascism, when they fit every single criteria of a fascist movement. The fact that you were able to write your post without falling out of your chair from laughter boggles the mind.
1) As do any groups seeking to gain power, Socialist, Fascist, Communist, Monarchist, Democrats, Republicans and more than half of the populace. They're not violently disagreeing with the results of our elections...I see no attempts to change the Govt. by violence.
2)They do sometimes use violence--I guess you can construe that to be in opposition to their belief that racism is a blot upon the face of humanity. So you get that one, I guess.
3) AFAIK, they don't give a S***t about the populace's opinion or support.
A Fascist movement would have a leader..a Dictator-in-waiting..that is the definition of Fascism.
fascism (făshˈĭzˌəm)
n.
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
n.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
n.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
Not really seeing where the Antifa meet either your definition or the dictionaries.
Bold: UH..yeah..perhaps a little reading might be in order for you..including the proper use of specific terms..that have specific meanings.
BTW..a quick read of Banjomike's posts might impress upon you the level of erudition expected--if you wish to 'run with the big dogs'.
Antifa is a hate group and in my opinion should be labeled a terrorist group. What is your opinion?
You done slurped too much honey with your poll. As soon as you put the other obvious ones on that same list.
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