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Old 09-19-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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Anyone who does not laugh at the "rocket man" comments needs to get a life...really....
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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My opinion is that he's put forth some very pertinent points for consideration by all present and he did so in a cognizant manner leaving little room for misunderstanding.

All things he addressed have been touched on in the past but in typical diplomatic double speak that gives all and sundry freedom to go home after and tell their wives: "just another day at the gravel pit with some guy talking about peace on earth and freedom for all........ what's for dinner honey?" That's not going to be the "take-away" this time.
People, including Trump, have complained about the UN for years and no one has done anything. Our Presidents have been polite, read polite speeches, wore expensive, empty suits while nothing changed. This is a new era.
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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the sad part is you think like many Trumpsters that all the world's problems are solved by simple easy fixes. That's not how the world works, it's not black and white, it's not binary, there is a lot of grey and much nuance. But Trumpsters don't understand the world past what they see out their front door. Here's a good rule of thumb, the north Korea situation is not one to be solved by two Trumpsters yelling at the TV over eggs at a diner.
Here in lies the the problem...
Some people actually believe like you apparently do, that there are varying degrees of evil. That Right and Wrong are open for discussion. That it is OK to allow the complete subjugation of a group of people as long as they are not doing it where you can see it. While I hate using it as a comparison would you debate the wrongness of Dachau to the wrongness of say North Korea or Iran?
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Brew City
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oh, I don't know Lily, china is very steadfast....they are not people who play around, they don't make idol threats...and neither is Trump....

Also, I think he is making this announcement to give those who want to, time to leave, maybe?
Trump has made several idle threats. I'm not sure about idol threats, unless he does idolize Un?
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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ok so went and read the transcript.

Exactly what was amazing??? It was the usual Trumpisms...

I'm going to blow up North Korea and annihilate them. (been there, heard that)
Our middle class (code: poor white male) have been left behind but no more.
"we are prepared to take action in Venezuela if it continues to impose authoritarian rules on his people"

He says this pretty much all the time, along with the "mexico is going to pay for the wall".
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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People, including Trump, have complained about the UN for years and no one has done anything. Our Presidents have been polite, read polite speeches, wore expensive, empty suits while nothing changed. This is a new era.
a new era of what? that is a 100% serious question. The UN is not a governing entity. it does exactly what it's designed to do, allow a forum for countries to be-atch.

So what we're going to bomb and entire nation and start world war III?
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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So selective belittling is ok ? Sounds twofaced. Who gets to select ?

The UN has constantly belittled America so there is a history for it on the "world stage".
Well that's incorrect as is the acceptance his reference to "Rocket Man" belittling Kim being ill conceived. I think it was the correct way to refer to him in front of those rep's. It is they who are ignoring his infantile behaviour at risk of their own well being.

I believe Trump deliberately puts him in the context of being nothing more than a spoiled brat with a credit card for the express purpose of forcing them to do the same.

Let's face it; the message needing to be sent is to China and Russia that this urchin with a penchant for murdering his own people and family members is not the person they should be seen as supporting. Especially so if it brings the world to the brink of disaster.
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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President Donald Trump warned Tuesday that the US would "totally destroy North Korea" if forced to defend itself or its allies.

"The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea," Trump said during his first address to the UN General Assembly.

Do you think he is series? And if so, what do you think his tactics would be?
Yes, he is serious. And if N. Korea is telling you that they are going to attack you, who do you want as the leader of the country? A spineless twit who draws lines in the sand and then does nothing when that line is crossed, (calling the bluff), or one who will actually take action?

I couldn't even begin to decide what his tactics will be. Right now it's 'trash talk'. Kim and Trump are both measuring each other up, sizing each other up. Kim is used to weak willed presidents who say words that don't mean anything. He's looking for a weakness like he saw in other presidents. He isn't sure about Trump. And it's good that he's not sure.

The federal government's main job is not handing out welfare and healthcare for all (more welfare), it's protecting/defending our nation. I don't believe anyone, not even Kim, wants an actual war, but Kim will keep testing and pushing to see how much he can get away with. You cannot give that little dictator jerk a single inch.
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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Here in lies the the problem...
Some people actually believe like you apparently do, that there are varying degrees of evil. That Right and Wrong are open for discussion. That it is OK to allow the complete subjugation of a group of people as long as they are not doing it where you can see it. While I hate using it as a comparison would you debate the wrongness of Dachau to the wrongness of say North Korea or Iran?
No but the reality is that until the subjugated people themselves rise up, they will not be free. Remember Saddam Hussein??? now folks are saying that maybe it would have been better to have kept him in power. and wasn't Bin Laden given weapons and training by the US to fight against Russian, then turned around and bit us in the butt.

I'm all for decisive action but the world has changed. charging in like it's wwII hasn't accomplished much and after the fiasco in Afghanistan I would think we would have learned that lesson.
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:02 AM
 
Location: NC
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Of course he is serious. Do you think he will just let them hit us or our allies with a missile without ANY repercussions? I know the Left wants that, but it won't happen. His tactics? Don't you mean the military's tactics? Unlike the retarded Leftists here, I believe that taking out NK is very easy. They are a tiny spec of a country that has starving soldiers and decades old garbage for equipment. They can be beat from the air alone without a single boot on the ground except the SF guys that will be needed to go in and kill their leaders if the bombs don't do it. As far as NK crossing the border into SK, it can't happen if troops and equipment are built up on the border to barrage them as they try to come across mixed with bombing from the border north into the interior of NK. Like shooting fish in a barrel, they would have no chance and it would be over in days to weeks.
The bolded part is "technically" correct, but this is a very simplistic and naive view of the reality. Generals would all disagree with you that we could easily take them out without boots on the ground (or just with SF to clean up), and you are 100% wrong about your implication that SK would be safe.

It is well known that NK's main defense right now is that they have nuclear warheads pointed at seoul. 16million people would be at risk, and they would not need to line up at the border. They would release an arsenal on SK that we could not stop. Sure, NK would be wiped off the face of the planet, but they've insured it would come at a huge cost to the USA, SK and the world.

And no, I am not taking the side of NK. I'm simply pointing out the obvious truth, and that is it's a very complex situation. It was not created by Trump, nor was it created by any single president. US Policy since the end of the Korean War has gotten us to where we are today. To do nothing is a huge mistake, but to try to "totally destroy" them, as the President has stated, is either bluster, or it's incredibly negligent. To do so would be to play with the lives of 16m+ people, and to upset a delicate world balance. There is not a good solution here. If we blow them up, then that's what we do, but let's not be naive and think it will be easy or painless. It may ultimately be the best response (I doubt it, but that is just opinion), but I am 100% sure it would be way worse than you seem to think.
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