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Old 09-20-2017, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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And today Mexicans, other Latinos and Asians are favored in our immigration numbers so it's kind of a wash, isn't it? They are also the largest groups here illegally.
No, it's more forced association per State edict.
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Old 09-20-2017, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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This is going to be a drive-by post. Quoting prominent activist Linda Sarsour:
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Our number one priority is to protect and defend our community, it is not to assimilate and it is not to please any other people and authority… Our TOP PRIORITY even higher than all those priorities is to please Allah and ONLY Allah!
She's said on a number of occasions Muslims should not and need not assimilate.
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Old 09-20-2017, 04:17 PM
 
Location: USA
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It used to be a melting pot where everyone wanted to be American regardless of family heritage. They didn't hide their heritage but it wasn't thrown in the faces of other Americans. United we stand, divided we fall.
Stil. is a melting pot, from my pov. Much of the divisiveness I see is only online. My family is Anglo/Hispanic and more recent, Asian(1970s) and Middle Eastern (1980s). A mix of Educators, Medical Professionals, Business owners, and Blue Collar. All middles class contributors, no ethnic purist in the bunch.
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Old 09-20-2017, 04:19 PM
 
Location: USA
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This is going to be a drive-by post. Quoting prominent activist Linda Sarsour:She's said on a number of occasions Muslims should not and need not assimilate.
She would fit right in, in the 100% Muslim world of Pakistan or Saudi Arabia
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Old 09-20-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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I think multiculturalism IS our national identity.

Once when I was studying abroad, one of my local friends told me she could tell just by looking at someone what Asian country they were from (it was in Asia). When I asked her if it was also true for Asian-Americans, she said she could definitely tell when someone was American, even if they were Asian, because the defining thing about Americans is they don't have "one" way to dress, speak, or person they like to hang out with. And you were more likely to find the Americans hanging out with a group of mixed people whereas the Chinese/Korean/Japanese/etc kids stuck together. I had never thought about that before but I do think it's our identity to be individualistic and comfortable with other cultures.
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Old 09-20-2017, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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This is going to be a drive-by post. Quoting prominent activist Linda Sarsour:She's said on a number of occasions Muslims should not and need not assimilate.
That's a problem.

What you want is people to be able move freely about while respecting the private property rights of those who already reside in the general vicinity.

If you don't want to live in isolation in a certain area it would be wise to offer the pre-existing residents incentive to interact with you.

Knowledge, skills, etc.

Of course with the government going around placing and plotting folks at random we don't have that kind of society.

Hence the problems.
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Old 09-20-2017, 04:50 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I think multiculturalism IS our national identity.

Once when I was studying abroad, one of my local friends told me she could tell just by looking at someone what Asian country they were from (it was in Asia). When I asked her if it was also true for Asian-Americans, she said she could definitely tell when someone was American, even if they were Asian, because the defining thing about Americans is they don't have "one" way to dress, speak, or person they like to hang out with. And you were more likely to find the Americans hanging out with a group of mixed people whereas the Chinese/Korean/Japanese/etc kids stuck together. I had never thought about that before but I do think it's our identity to be individualistic and comfortable with other cultures.
Wow, you are so brain washed. I feel sorry for what the system put you through. Did they teach you how many Indians that Americans slaughtered in school?
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Old 09-20-2017, 04:55 PM
 
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Wow, you are so brain washed. I feel sorry for what the system put you through. Did they teach you how many Indians that Americans slaughtered in school?
Just sharing an anecdote, buddy. Don't worry, I do pretty well in life so you don't need to feel sorry for me. I'm actually pretty happy with my "American" experience so, if you aren't, I feel sorry for you.
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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I think multiculturalism IS our national identity...

...I do think it's our identity to be individualistic and comfortable with other cultures.
I think that's a laudable goal, as well as how I try to live. Kudos there.

But that is not exactly my understanding of what is meant by multiculturalism. My understanding of what is meant by multiculturalism is that tribalism / identitarianism / collectivism -- the group or groups you "belong to" -- are prime over individualism and a shared identity as humans (or as Americans). They (those groups) are or should be at the forefront and you must embrace them as the more important identity.
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:08 PM
 
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I think that's a laudable goal, as well as how I try to live. Kudos there.

But that is not exactly my understanding of what is meant by multiculturalism. My understanding of what is meant by multiculturalism is that tribalism / identitarianism / collectivism -- the group or groups you "belong to" are prime over individualism and a shared identity as humans (or as Americans).
Interesting... never thought of multiculturalism in that way. I'd like to think the different cultures here might speak, eat or pray according to their ethnic culture but still feel a shared American identity at the end of the day.
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