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Old 09-20-2017, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The service animals and the support animal situations have gotten out of hand. It's become too much of a "I" is more important than "they" are. In all my years in the military we never had the K-9 units bring their dogs to the tables to eat with the people. If people want to bring animals with them into restaurants then IMO give them what was at one time the smoking sections.
well, in all fairness, when you were in the military, you were not disabled.

Not many dogs are qualified to be "service dogs". You don't see them on daily basis either. My brother's restaurant is run by veterans, even we don't see service dogs all the time. If we see one, it is not a big deal. They are very quiet and well behaved. None is dirty.

One of my friends is 80% disabled, no arm, half of the face is black. Even he cannot get a service dog. (in all fairness, he perhaps doesn't want one) Many of the dogs are not service dogs. This is the problem.

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Old 09-20-2017, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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People are crazy. Once you realize that, stuff like this makes sense.

Yeah, pretty much.
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:13 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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well, in all fairness, when you were in the military, you were not disabled.

Not many dogs are qualified to be "service dogs". You don't see them on daily basis either. My brother's restaurant is run by veterans, even we don't see service dogs all the time. If we see one, it is not a big deal. They are very quiet and well behaved. None is dirty.
First of all, how do know if I'm disabled or not? The only items I've posted in relation to my military career is that I was a US Marine, I was in Lebanon, I was at the barracks bombing and that I learned how to fly but the sudden stop wasn't too enjoyable. You figure it out.

As to service animals, I've made my statement and that's it. I've owned dogs for decades and its never entered my mind to take a dog with me into a eating establishment.
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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First of all, how do know if I'm disabled or not? The only items I've posted in relation to my military career is that I was a US Marine, I was in Lebanon, I was at the barracks bombing and that I learned how to fly but the sudden stop wasn't too enjoyable. You figure it out.

As to service animals, I've made my statement and that's it. I've owned dogs for decades and its never entered my mind to take a dog with me into a eating establishment.
I said, "When you were in the military, you were not disabled."

When you were IN THE MILITARY. Are you saying you were disabled when you were in the military? please.

Service dogs are for the disabled people. Nobody should take their pets to the restaurants.

You posted, "In all my years in the military we never had the K-9 units bring their dogs to the tables to eat with the people." and you guys are not supposed to, those K-9 unit dogs are not service dogs for the disabled people. Let's not compare apples to oranges here.

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Old 09-20-2017, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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What a loon. She clearly has mental problems.
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:26 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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I said, "When you were in the military, you were not disabled."

When you were IN THE MILITARY. Are you saying you were disabled when you were in the military? please.

Service dogs are for disabled people. Nobody should take their pets in the restaurants.
Now think real hard... Ready? If a person is in a explosion and their body is shot at a high angle into the air with a lot of force and land with a sudden stop are they going to be injured. So does that translate in your narrow view that I was no longer in the military a second after it occurred? If I became disabled or not is really none of yours and anyone's business.
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Now think real hard... Ready? If a person is in a explosion and their body is shot at a high angle into the air with a lot of force and land with a sudden stop are they going to be injured. So does that translate in your narrow view that I was no longer in the military a second after it occurred? If I became disabled or not is really none of yours and anyone's business.
dude, you posted

"In all my years in the military we never had the K-9 units bring their dogs to the tables to eat with the people."

don't compare apples to oranges, those k-9 units are not service dogs for the disabled.

We are talking about service dogs for the disabled people here. The bottom line is people get a service dog (not a comfort dog or a pet) for a reason. It is not like they have an astonishing sense of entitlement.
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:45 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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dude, you posted

"In all my years in the military we never had the K-9 units bring their dogs to the tables to eat with the people."

don't compare apples to oranges, those k-9 units are not service dogs for the disabled.

We are talking about service dogs for the disabled people here. The bottom line is people get a service dog (not a comfort dog or a pet) for a reason. It is not like they have an astonishing sense of entitlement.
When it comes to where humans eat in an enclosed area, IMPOV animals do not belong there. I know many people from the military from numerous generations and not one one has ever brought an animal when we've met at an enclosed eating establishment. And I can tell you many of us have been through numerous bloody situations that would make nearly any civilian have involuntary convulsions by simply hearing it.
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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When it comes to where humans eat in an enclosed area, IMPOV animals do not belong there. I know many people from the military from numerous generations and not one one has ever brought an animal when we've met at an enclosed eating establishment. And I can tell you many of us have been through numerous bloody situations that would make nearly any civilian have involuntary convulsions by simply hearing it.
well, if one is qualified to get a service dog, in my opinion, they should get a service dog.

It has nothing to do with civilian vs military, you vs me.

This veteran has a service dog, I can tell how this service dog helped him. Who am I to tell him "you shouldn't take this dog to the restaurant?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y_a_V1QD3U

Getting a service dog is an individual choice. Seeking help takes a lot of courage. Just because somebody have been through "bloody situations" doesn't mean he or she knows how to seek help, just saying. (not implying anything here. )

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Old 09-20-2017, 10:56 PM
 
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I would take the 4 legged animal over the 2 legged one who won't shut up.
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