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Old 10-04-2017, 09:49 AM
 
Location: PSL
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The security guard he shot through the door didn't stall his fire very much, but it did stall the police response. He is watching a monitor, sees you coming up the hallway, turns around points the gun at the door, sees when you are in front of it or the walls beside it shoots through the door or walls before you take your first swing, you are now either wounded and crawling away like the security guard or dead, turns back around when he sees on the video feed you have been neutralized. In a lot of situations you might be right, in this particular situation he had meticulously prepared for exactly what you are talking about.
Right. How many mass shooters carry something that intricate out?

Just this 1...

So it's best to do nothing and wait for swat to come... gotcha.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:49 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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That's correct, they have the right to buy more alcohol. Are you suggesting they shouldn't? Do we want to stop EVERYONE from buying alcohol, or only those who have been diagnosed as alcoholics? Perhaps I should be allowed to buy a bottle of wine, but a case is illegal, as no one person has need of that much wine!
No, I was adding to your comments on pyromaniacs being allowed to buy matches. There's many things that "can be" dangerous that can be legally purchased by certified/proven deranged people.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:51 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Ah someone who doesn't have an issue with someone like me who competes in 3 gun challenges or force on force simunition training, I assume you don't have a problem with teachers getting concealed carry licenses, training in their spare time, and running lock down drills to protect children then would you.

When I was in highschool they ran lock down drills.
Those nearest to the windows dropped the shades, the teacher ordered the rest to huddle on the floor face down, as they sprinted to the door to shut it and lock it to return to floor with us out of sight of the door.
In a situation like that, bust the glass out of the door reach in unlock the door and there we all were.

Usually the teachers desk was adjacent to the door, the only exception was PE, the library, and shop classes. We'd run those drills and the police would come sirens wailing, and they'd come armed and with K9s.

In a situation like Sandy hook or columbine, a teacher could be behind their desk and the moment gun fire broke out, a teacher could better defend their students.
If I had kids I wouldn't have any issue knowing the teachers were armed.


Provided they are properly trained and vigilant in maintaining their proficiency, sure. How many are going to do that?
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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An AR breaks down to about 20 inches long. Someone can fit an AR in a small duffel with enough mags to do it all over again.

Plus, look at all the other tall buildings around that concert area. It's just random the nut picked the one he did.
I find all of the conjecture about how he got the guns into the hotel room odd, to say the least.
The only explanation I can fathom is that there are a lot of people who have not ever stayed in one of these massive hotels in Las Vegas or elsewhere.

As someone else noted, several of the hotels have underground shopping and are interconnected.
And, all have on-site casinos that anyone can enter at any time directly from the street.
The casinos also have elevators that lead directly to the room levels.

Who is going to notice one average-looking guy carrying a bag or bags through a casino full of people also laden down with shopping bags, etc.?

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Old 10-04-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Internet hero alert!!!
Following your scrutiny and logic, I assume firefighters should just keep people back at a safe distance when there's a fire present and not go in to rescue those who may be trapped because it's dangerous...
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:56 AM
 
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1) Why will he kill himself 40-50 minutes before SWAT actually entered the Room?
He had no idea that after shooting the security guard through the door, that it was going to be another hour before the SWAT arrived and breached the door with explosives. He probably thought the police would be entering the suite ASAP, so he decided to blow his brains out then.
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Doubt it. If I was this shooter I'd have the lights out in the room so I could see in the dark below and also not be seen.

Snipers could not hit what they cannot see.


Snipers from within the crowd being fired upon could just have ignored their vunerable locations and aimed their firepower at all the windows near the corner on floors 29-33.

What could possibly have gone wrong?
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:57 AM
 
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How do you make one of the worst events in American history even worse?

Trump to meet with Las Vegas shooting survivors: 'We're going to pay our respects'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cts/730557001/

From a man with no sense of decency and respect. I cringe at what will come out of his mouth.
Wow, TDS at its finest. How is the president meeting with the victims disrespectful exactly?
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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There you go, he was not the unassuming and quiet nice guy initially portrayed.

I was just talking to my coworkers and we agreed that this guy was motivated by going out in an ultimate blaze of infamous 'glory,' and that it won't be long before another such attack happens.

It was only last year 49 people were killed in Orlando. This year 59. Guaranteed at this moment some sociopathic narcissist is planning something similar, to up the body count and terror quotient. We will never stop this, but that is the world we live in.

Portrait emerging of Las Vegas shooter as man 'descending into madness' - ABC News
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:00 AM
 
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He had no idea that after shooting the security guard through the door, that it was going to be another hour before the SWAT arrived and breached the door with explosives. He probably thought the police would be entering the suite ASAP, so he decided to blow his brains out then.
That is my guess as well. Also this indicates a determination to not be taken alive, otherwise someone intent on mass harm would have just waited and had a gun battle with the police as they attempted to breach the door... but that runs the risk of being incapacitated and surviving, where as shooting yourself before the confrontation insures you end up dead regardless of what happens...
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