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Old 10-04-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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About 27% of LE have fired their weapon during their careers.

Being armed does not imply skill.

Being armed creates a false sense of security against someone with more fire power, more skill, in a better position and/ or who intends to die.

Paddock had no Plan B. He expected to go down with the ship. Seems to be a rather common profile for mass shooters.

Maybe heavily- armed, highly- skilled, multiple security on the roof of Sandy Hook could have prevented the massacre that occured inside the school. It's the type of protection afforded to minor children of Presidents attending private schools. The Federal Government picks up the tab.
Your plan is to do nothing. My plan is to have people trained and armed
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Pyongjang
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I do blame security for this. 22,000 is a pretty massive event and they should have recognized the location was vulnerable. Snipers should have been in position.
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:08 PM
 
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What could have been worse is if he rigged his room to explode like some kill switch.

Like I said before some psycho is now, as we speak, planning something just as meticulous and detailed in order to up the body count and terrorize people in one last blaze of glory.

It's clear this shooter chose an arsenal of guns and shooting at a crowd from a high hotel floor in order to maximize the terror impact. Guns and gun control is such an emotionally charged and divisive topic in America, that he knew to create carnage with guns would impact people the most, long after he was dead and gone.

The thing is, we will NEVER prevent anyone that wants to do the same in the future. Mass shootings is just something we'll have to live with forever.
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Paddock had long since ceased shooting while LE remained uncertain which floor the fire had come from.

what caused him to ceasefire? Suicide?
At that point they knew precisely. He shot a Casino security guard through the door of the room. Likely suicide.
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:11 PM
 
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LE was not certain which floor the gunfire originated from in the midst of chaos. They had narrowed it down to 3 floors. Are you suggesting snipers should have remained in the crowds being fired upon and aimed their return fire at multiple floors in the hotel?

Would certainly suck to be an unrelated guest looking out the window, eh.


Paddock ceased shooting long before LE breached his room.
Right because they didn't have binoculars and scopes right away. You just love trying to find fault with this solution don't you
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:26 PM
 
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REALLY! No one notices people in city sized hotels who are transporting bags to their room. In fact MOST people in hotels transport bags to their rooms. Crazy I know!

The "muzzle flashes" seen on camera are not muzzle flashes since those windows do not open, nor were they broken out, unless someone has figured out how to shoot through glass without breaking it. Those same flashes can be seen behind a reporter hours after the shooting.


Police found the tool he used to break the glass windows.

A high roller, as this evil man was, can get rooms and suites comp'd to them, and some people 'lease' the rooms or suites just like any apt. lease, so they always have accommodations waiting for them. Since the hotel knew him, he could have had the bags sent up to his room whenever he visited. Except this time he wasn't traveling with clothing and gifts etc. And they don't need green money to play at the tables either -- they have 'accounts' at the casinos and take 'markers'. They also gamble in private areas many times. Games like Baccarat and so forth, are fairly private. The casinos cater to the high stakes gamblers.

As for showing flashes hours after the shooting, just a repeat of the scenes put together on news film.
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:32 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Actually you can buy guns in states you don't reside in. You can't "cash and carry" them like a resident can but you can transfer them to an FFL in your home state. People buy guns across the internet all the time using this method.
Something is really off in this whole deal. Long planning, no digital footprints to speak of and nobody who knows him knows anything. He wasn't "crazy" in the usual definition, he didn't just "snap" either. Wouldn't surprise me if it's political or religious when the motive finally is figured out.
I'm placing my bet/guess on political.

Yes, transfers to an FFL dealer in ones home state are done all the time. But it's being made to sound as if he drove from state to state just buying guns at every little Joes Gun n Tackle he came across. The "cash n carry" as you said. It's just a way to whip up emotion about gun laws. We have laws enough pertaining to firearms. What we don't have is a world without evil, twisted and despicable people. And I believe you are correct. There's HAS to be some motive here. One as vile and despicable as the man who carried that motive through.


And the amount of cash this varmint had access to will lead to that motive, of this I'm certain. He didn't come by all that cash via honest means from honest people. Somebody bankrolled him. And he acted like someone with absolutely nothing to lose. He intended to die. It may come out he had some terminal disease, and was offered a serious amount of cash to further the political agenda you postulated on. Somewhere in this there IS a motive. He goes out with a bang, and his family is set for life. All that cash and all the planning didn't just beam down from the Enterprise. There's someone way bigger than some guy from Mesquite behind this. That he did this all on his own auspices is something I just can't buy off on.
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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LOL pathetic. Baaa-aaaa, with the excuses.

Remember how the story started out? He had only purchased 3 guns in his life. Now suddenly he's got 23.

And not a one of you question a thing about that?

Have you ever lugged up the kind of firepower that he had? Have you carried that ammo? At some point, someone watching the cameras would have noticed a LOT of baggage going up to the room, yet not one person has come forward and said they saw that.

No kidding he was in a suite. DUH. Way to miss the point. This "not a gun guy" is suddenly setting up separate positions from a distance and a height further up than most people have ever shot, and you all buy in to that baloney.

Yes, we are always told the truth at all times, by every single news station, government official, and police chief. Absolutely. Not a single one of them has ever lied to you. Of course not. Go to sleep, sheep. Nothing to see here. Carry on with your gun argument...distractions are fun and not as scary as questioning the absolute BS you're being fed, aren't they.

No wonder we've had such crappy leaders for so long - you all buy everything that you hear.
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:37 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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I feel sorry for his female partner, a woman from the Philippines who doesn't seem to have a clue as to what this guy was about. Apparently he gave her some money and told her to go home to the Philippines. She obeyed and then he wired $100,000 to her and said it was so she could buy herself a home. She said she thought that meant that he was breaking up with her.

People have said that he was mean to her in public, insulting her and humiliating her. Sounds like a control freak. But women from the Philippines are usually obedient and quiet so that's probably how she was too. She put up with it. I bet he was a real sneak, bringing guns into the house while she was busy cooking and cleaning, doing as expected. Then, when he was finally ready to commit this horrific act, he sent her back home. But I wonder WHY he did it? What triggered this?
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I do blame security for this. 22,000 is a pretty massive event and they should have recognized the location was vulnerable. Snipers should have been in position.
In position, where?
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